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Topic: Jeff Newman Tuning Charts in Cents |
b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Len Amaral
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Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 29 Jan 2017 7:17 am |
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Thanks b0b,
I am going to print this out and keep it with my other compensated tuning chart. Γ°ΕΈβΒ |
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Bobby D. Jones
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West Virginia, USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2017 10:22 am Jeff Newmans Tuning Charts in Cents.
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| Thanks b0b, This will be a lot of help to many. |
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Charley Bond
From:
Inola, OK, USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2017 11:24 am Tuning Chart
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May I ask how this compares to the Peterson Strobe Tuner's sweetend tuning..?
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 29 Jan 2017 12:27 pm
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Not to hijack b0b's thread. I have an updated chart based on Newman's 442.5 and the Peterson sweetened tuning for both E9th and C6th including some modern changes that are not in Newman's. As mentioned in another post I have to get it in a form for the forum before I can post it (its in MSWord .doc form now).
According to one forum member from Great Britain who I "shared" them with, "it is spot on". |
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Greg Lambert
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2017 1:05 pm
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| Thanks Bob! |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2017 2:35 pm
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FWIW, I find Jeff's numbers too "touchy". I play outdoors a lot, where temperature drifts. If you want to make the tuning more "fault tolerant", cut all the numbers in half. It won't be perfect, but it won't drift out of tune in the middle of a set.
Note: This is only my opinion. I admit that I'm technically out of tune, and Jeff Newman always played more in tune than me.
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2017 11:34 pm
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C# -6 is the root of the A+F position.
F is the 3rd above C#.
JI says major 3rds are -14 cents.
Tuning F to -18 is fine as long as you don't play the open string. Just aim the bar a bit sharp.
That's the theory, anyway. Jeff's numbers are real close to perfect Just Intonation. Some guitars will sound real nice tuned to those numbers.
Just my opinion.
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 30 Jan 2017 9:00 am
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What strikes me about the numbers in the chart you provided is the inconsistency.
The indicated numbers represent variance from ET ("straight up" on a simple tuner--one without "sweetened" presets). They result in major third intervals in the tuning as follows:
E-> G#: 14 cents narrower than ET
A-> C#: 10 cents narrower than ET
C#->F(E#): 12 cents narrower than ET
B-> D# (E lowers): 6 cents narrower than ET
B-> D# (2nd string): 12 cents narrower than ET
D-> F# (low): ET (strings 9 and 7)
D-> F# (high): 10 cents wider than ET (strings 2 and 1)
F#-> A#: 4 cents wider than ET
Compared to JI (I assume what you mean by "JI says major thirds are -14" is that JI major thirds are 14 cents narrower than ET major thirds):
E-> G#: JI
A-> C#: 4 cents wider than JI
C#-> F(E#): 2 cents wider than JI
B-> D#(E lowers): 8 cents wider than JI
B-> D#(2nd string): 2 cents wider than JI
D-> F#(low): 14 cents wider than JI (strings 9 and 7)
D-> F#(high): 24 cents wider than JI (strings 2 and 1)
F#-> A#: 18 cents wider than JI
I find it hard to imagine that factoring in "cabinet drop" could account for all these inconsistencies.
I use all these intervals as root-> third of major (or seventh) chords. To my mind, a major third is a major third, and wherever on the instrument I happen to play it, it should be the same interval (or at least closer than these!). |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 30 Jan 2017 11:01 am
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One story I hear, and I have no idea if its true or not, that Jeff went around to some of the "big name" steeler's in Nashville and had them tune up and then he checked their tunings with a Korg Tuner. Then developed his first chart.
One comment. I use the Newman sweetened program (my own with everything in one program, not split in two). I tuned up my C6th and then checked the opens using Buddy Emmons harmonics method and didn't have to retune any string. |
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 30 Jan 2017 11:15 am
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I think these numbers (the ones that apply to 10 string E9 ) that came with my Carter Universal hew pretty closely to the original chart.
I post this as a graphic alternative to the charts.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 Jan 2017 11:15 am
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I think everyone should make their own charts. Personal tastes and cabinet drop will play a role.
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Steve Sycamore
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Sweden
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Posted 30 Jan 2017 11:31 am
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Yes. The original Newman chart is close to an adaptive Just Tempered system. But it's off enough that I continually adjusted it by ear to eliminate beats when I was using it.
A Just Temperment basically gives you "perfectly in tune" harmonics. There should be no beating and all chords sound amazingly sweet and pure.
I found the original Newman chart to be slightly flat overall. But the newer one was definitely very sharp - inappropriately so. The ideal may be to tune the open A note you get with the A and B pedals down to 440 Hz exactly. Then the open E's will only be slightly sharp using the same base.
The "adaptive" part of using a Just Tempered system for pedal steel is that the open notes with no pedals should be tuned to E Just Tempered while the open notes with A and B pedals down should be tuned to A Just Tempered.
I can give the cent values of each note for both necks if there is interest in that. |
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 16 Apr 2017 12:32 pm
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| Steve Sycamore wrote: |
I can give the cent values of each note for both necks if there is interest in that. |
Yes,there is !!! Thanks ! |
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 5:47 am
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To clarify, the width of the C#-F interval is the difference between the two values, -18 and -6.
F (E#) seems to be the comma on psg, apparently no matter how you tune it (altho I'm not sure what Just Tempered is).
Trying to infer it into a meantone tuning chart, you get two different values (or a range) depending on how you approach it.
For that reason, I agree with Lane. I'd say there's no way around it. |
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