The Franklin Pedal on my LKV

Charley Bond · From: Inola, OK, USA

I have the 5 & 10 lower to A on my "new to me" guitar, but there is a collar in the way of the 10 string Bellcrank (shoves the pull rod inward-bad deal). Can I put the lowered As on my new vertical Knee lever.

How is the lowered A's used, pedals down or UP
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Bruce Bishop · From: Tennessee, USA

Shouldn't your floor pedal give you the split when combined. ?

Charley Bond · From: Inola, OK, USA

I'm not sure what you asked ?
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John McClung · From: Olympia WA, USA

Are you lowering both B's on a pedal, but running into the mechanical blockage?

A photo of the undercarriage problem would help, Charley.
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Bruce Bishop · From: Tennessee, USA

With LV knee
your 5&10 lower from a B to an A
When you add the A floor pedal it should split the difference making it A#

Or am I confused ? LoL

Bruce

Charley Bond · From: Inola, OK, USA

My Copedent is about the same as Tommy Whites. However, on my RKR cross shaft, there is a collar that impedes the 10 string bellcrank & pull rod, going to the 3rd pedal pulling the B's to C

Is the 1 & 2 string pull OK on Pedal 4.

I did see one Copedent where there was only the 5th string lowered to A

My copedent setup is flavored the "DAY WAY"
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rpetersen · From: Iowa

Here's what I did to get a variety of changes

LKL & RKR ARE RAISING AND LOWERING E'S
RKL LOWER 2 & 9 W/ HALF STOP FEEL
LKR LOWERS 6 WITH SPLIT TUNING WITH B PEDAL
ALSO GIVES YOU A 1/2 STEP RAISE ON 2nd STRING FOR A QUICK UNISON WITH 4th STRING
LKV LOWERS 5 - 1/2 & 1 STEP WITH HALF STOP FEEL WITH 10TH STRING TO GET SOME OF THE FRANKLIN CHANGE
AND ALSO GIVES YOU A UNISON WITH STRING 6 WITH B PEDAL DEPRESSED
0 PEDAL GIVES YOU A UNISON WITH 3 & 4TH STRING
OTHER 3 ARE EMMONS
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Jerry Overstreet · From: Louisville Ky

Hard to say without seeing the linkage as John says, but usually, either a bell crank or device can be moved over a bit on the shaft to keep things from crashing into each other.

Most modern guitars, that is. Assuming things aren't permanently welded.

Some people do have the whole tone lower B to A on the LKV, but that's a lot of travel for a vertical. Many players have just the B to Bb there.

Charley Bond · From: Inola, OK, USA

Here is a picture of my copedent & the interfering collar.

I may just make a thick bushing & trap it between the bellcrank & rail.

OR... I may put the collar in my Lathe & make it a little thinner.

Thanks for your ideas...

Tommy White only raises the 6th string to F# with his LKV

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Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

What brand name steel is that, looks sorta Excel. Been following this and still don't understand which collar you are talking about even with pic.
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Charley Bond · From: Inola, OK, USA

The collar in the picture, that is up against the rail causes the bellcrank to be out too far. About .060
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Charley Bond · From: Inola, OK, USA

Does anyone have a few minutes to visit with me about my copedent & this interference problem

918-543-6600 Charley Bond
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Jeff Mead · From: London, England

Charley Bond · From: Inola, OK, USA

That is an error... it will be changed.

The D will go to C#

The copedent will be the same as TW's except RKL & RKR are reversed
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Jerry Overstreet · From: Louisville Ky

So...the black bellcrank, right next to the collar...needs to go where the collar is, or at least further toward the rail, to miss what? The threaded tuning rod just behind it? Or is it dragging on the rod that runs through the middle of the bell crank?

Sorry if I'm not understanding you correctly.

There are a bunch of pickers around your area. Maybe one of the guys can see the problem first hand and better help you.

Marco Schouten · From: Amsterdam, The Netherlands

On some steel guitars the pull rods have a few bends. I prefer straight ones, but it may be a solution to your problem.
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Charley Bond · From: Inola, OK, USA

Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

I see what you mean now Charley. I would just remove the collar and scoot bell crank where it is. The collar just prevent the shaft from moving and the bell crank would do same thing. I'd put a very thin washer, plastic if you have one, between bell crank and cabinet to keep crank from rubbing on body.
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Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Here's my take on your copedent. I would swap the changes on lv and rr. Unless it is easy for you to use ll and lv at the same time, and also let off one of the levers and still hold the other in, it will be a very difficult action. It is so uncomfortable on my Carter that it wouldn't work for me. It may be different on different guitars though. As the 6th to F# is used A LOT with the E lowers, it is probably better to have that change on the opposite knee.

Some have the strings 1 and 2 on a pedal like Tommy does. Lane Gray swears by it. I had them on pedal 4 for a while, but switched them to rkr where my 6th lower is. I personally prefer them on a lever, but you may find the pedal to be best for you.
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Dave Meis · From: Olympic Peninsula, Washington, USA

It doesn't look like that bell crank is doing anything. Could you just move (or remove) it?. Also looks like you'd have to take the maximum off each side of the collar to get enough difference to work..maybe a different collar design or a simple 'push on' style E clip? Not much of an arc at the shaft, so not much rubbing involved..maybe just remove the nylon thrust.. ?

Charley Bond · From: Inola, OK, USA

Mr. Meis, at the moment, that bellcrank ISN'T doing anything. When I noticed the interference, my project came to a halt.

I may go a different way. I'll move the strings 1 (F# to G#) & 2 (D# to E) pulls to this knee lever (RKR). Mr Sinkler suggested this. I have no previous experience with this change.

The pics are of my LKV which is Super Quick, especially with A&B pedals down.

Having no previous experience with anything other than CBA pedals Eb F & the 2-9 levers, should make it easier to learn & not have to unlearn... Like I said, all this is new to me & with no experience in this field, I may be painting my self into a corner...

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Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Very cool log. You can ignore my comments.
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