C6 knee levers

Smokey Fennell · From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

I have recently started working through BEs C6 book and he recommends adding the knee lever change moving C to C#. How many use this change and does it matter if the change is on RKL or RKR.

I would also like to know about changing the first string D to D#. I had this on pedal 5 but have now added it to pedal 8 as well. Is one more useful than the other?

I decided to make this change on my Emmons P/P and after taking half of the parts off to do this, I am still trying to get it all working again 5 days later. No wonder I left everything the way it came.

Smokey

John Lacey · From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada

Smokey, that C-C# change is a good one once you've changed the first string from G to D because with it you can reclaim the G triad by playing the 5th. pedal and the C-C# knee together. It's similar in function to the E-F change combined with the 1st. pedal on the E9th. neck. I have it on my RKR on my PP and my Legrande II and feel quite comfortable with it there. I don't personally use the D-D# change.

pdl20 · From: Benton, Ar . USA,

I RAISE THE D TO D#.I FOUND SEVERAL WAYS TO USE IT THINK OF HOW YOU WOULD USE THE 1 STRING RAISE A HALF ON THE E 9TH NECK .D TO D# TO E( 2ND STRING) EXPERMENT WITH IT .

John Steele · From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

Alot of steels are setup to raise the first string D-D# with the 8th pedal. That's where mine is.

-John

------------------
www.ottawajazz.com

Smokey Fennell · From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

John, do you think it matters which side, L or R, that the C# change is on? I have put it on RKL but I wanted to get some feedback before I get too used to it.

Drew Howard · From: 48854

I raise the 3rd string C-C# with my RKR and like the change so much I added a pull today to raise the 7th string C-C# too. I could get that lower raise with the 8th pedal but pulling both strings with the same knee lever is more convenient.

I've had guitars that raised the D, but at the time I didn't know what to do with it.

Drew

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

I'd have a hard time playing C6th without it.

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

C-C# is a definite keeper.

Rick Schmidt · From: Prescott AZ, USA

I really like having a half stop C-C#-D on my D12 with the high G and D. I think for my purposes, if I got a new D10 I'd keep the high G and just use this lever for the D.

Don Walters · From: Saskatchewan Canada

Smokey, you also get the G triad "3 frets up" on strings 2-3-4 when you use the C-C# change. I have it on RKR.

Eric West · From: Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.

One change I hadn't thought of is going to be on my Marrs, suggested by Jeff.

It's the raising of the 4th string with the RKR to Bb. Pretty slick.

I will be lowering the D string a half tone with pedal 8 after having it changeless in the past. A nice C# fifth.

I've always been able to raise it with the pinky behind the bar move, or the bar in the open pos.

I've got a middle vertical that will have the whole note A C to B D 3rd and 4th strings, same as my 7th pedal.

I know it's redundant, but the 5th and 7th pedal two foot combination has always been impossible to make in a split second, and have the volume pedal trustworthy. Under any pressure at all I always nick the side of it to either full volume, or off. going or coming.. It's worse with my hair trigger Hilton.

Other than stock, I'm inverting my 6th pedal changes on the 4th pedal for now. (for the last year) Never used the As to Bs much.

I've played with the same copedant for 26 years now, and it's time to fool with it a bit.

TIA for any input.

EJL

[This message was edited by Eric West on 08 February 2005 at 06:59 PM.]

Michael Haselman · From: St. Paul

Can C-C# be added to the RKR that changes 2nd and 9th string on E9 or do you need another lever?

------------------
Marrs D-10, Webb 6-14E

Drew Howard · From: 48854

Michael,

Yes, you can the add the C-C# pull to the RKR that shares with the E neck.

Drew

------------------
Gazornktron T-16 w/ FranistatSUX2000 mod

Dan Galysh · From: Hendersonville, Tennessee, USA

I have a way to "kind of get around" the C-C# lever.
It is possible for me to get a split with the 3rd string C to D raise (7th pedal) in combination with the 3rd string C to B lower to get a C#. You can get some nice dominant C9 sounds (as opposed to a straight dom 7th) on the third fret with the standard 7th pedal in conjunction with the 3rd string lower. This is assuming you can get a good split. My split is tuneable. This works well on strings 6,5,4,3 and 2. You can add your 8th pedal 7th string raise C to C# to increase the range to strings 8 and 7 also. Hope this might help some.
I like the 1st string raise D to D# on the 8th pedal to extend the #9 chord.
-Dan

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

Dan G. mine don't split, but I could add a rod and get it tuned.

On which lever would tha go?
the C lower or the P7?

I do like the basic idea of the change.

John Lacey · From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada

Smokey, it tends to be used with the 5th. pedal a lot, so you might consider having it on a right knee lever. My RKL lowers C-B so it naturally falls to the RKR. It would also work on a vertical knee if you have it.

Dan Galysh · From: Hendersonville, Tennessee, USA

David,

I have my split change rod on my Carter attached to my C to B lower lever. I tune the C# note at the changer as you would in the regular lower position. However, the B note lower would be tuned with a rod which would be positioned above the C to D raise on this string which you are activating with P7. In other words, this rod would go into the hole above the 3rd string raise at the changer. That's the way I've been tuning it.

-Dan

Jay Jessup · From: Charlottesville, VA, USA

I think putting the C to C# change is most natural on the LKL, that way when sliding up to the next higher inversion of the root chord along with the 5'th pedal it's exactly the same move both with your hands and feet as the same A pedal F lever move on the E9'th is.
I tried replacing the A to Bb change with the C to C# change on my five knee lever guitar for a while but changed it back because I could do without the C to C# change easier than I could do without the A to Bb change.

Forum Index > Pedal Steel		Next oldest topic :: Next newest topic