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Topic: Which sus does Jazz normally use? |
Stefan Robertson
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Posted 21 Oct 2016 2:54 am |
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Ok so learning my inversions and wondering?
When Do I throw in a Sus chord?
Is it a sus 7 usually?
Is the most common use a sus4 or sus 2?
Ideas??
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Brad Bechtel
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Posted 21 Oct 2016 6:33 am
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Let's see what they say in Music. Moved.
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Sam Marshall
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Chandler, AZ USA
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Posted 21 Oct 2016 7:12 am
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When reading chord charts, a sus7 will usually infer a suspended 4th per my experience.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 21 Oct 2016 7:17 am
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I always thought it was a suspended 3rd.
So instead of a C chord being C E G, it's C F G. |
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 21 Oct 2016 7:30 am
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| Erv Niehaus wrote: |
I always thought it was a suspended 3rd.
So instead of a C chord being C E G, it's C F G. |
The 3 is suspended either up to the 4 so CFG
Or down to the 2 CDG
But I'm stumped when I see music and they state sus if your lucky but mostly I find players use it but the notation never tells you when. So you have to know when to use one.
That's why I asked.
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Mike Neer
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Posted 21 Oct 2016 9:04 am
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It would usually be something like D9sus, otherwise known as C/D, which is a C triad over a D bass note. This is what you see in tunes by Herbie Hancock and much of Jazz since the '60s. The 3rd is replaced by the 4th, adding ambiguity, but since it is still a dominant chord, the tonality is not really a mystery.
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 21 Oct 2016 9:11 am
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| Mike Neer wrote: |
| It would usually be something like D9sus, otherwise known as C/D, which is a C triad over a D bass note. This is what you see in tunes by Herbie Hancock and much of Jazz since the '60s. The 3rd is replaced by the 4th, adding ambiguity, but since it is still a dominant chord, the tonality is not really a mystery. |
Thanks Mike.
So its a Csus4/9
DCFG
in that order or a different voicing?
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Mike Neer
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Posted 21 Oct 2016 9:45 am
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| Stefan Robertson wrote: |
| Mike Neer wrote: |
| It would usually be something like D9sus, otherwise known as C/D, which is a C triad over a D bass note. This is what you see in tunes by Herbie Hancock and much of Jazz since the '60s. The 3rd is replaced by the 4th, adding ambiguity, but since it is still a dominant chord, the tonality is not really a mystery. |
Thanks Mike.
So its a Csus4/9
DCFG
in that order or a different voicing? |
No, it would be D9sus: D G A C E
The most common voicings on guitar are D C E G and D G C E A
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 21 Oct 2016 2:25 pm
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Interesting. So How on earth am I to know whether to play D/in the Bass if I see a Csus - D9 sus swap
My goodness.
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Alex D Smith
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California, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2016 7:41 am for modal oddity
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Hi one might play an Esus2 (E F# B) against a C bass note for a cool lydian maj7#11 effect or a G bass note for some maj13, I suppose.
I'm antsy about weighing in on something heavy like this, but my guitar teacher years ago told me that sus chords could be thought of as not having a real tonal center. So, for example the idea that sus chords in modern harmonic progressions can take away some of the formality of always major or minor or dominant or altered dominant or 6/9. Consider laying Asus4 in the middle of a ballad in C: it's A D E, and using inversions you have D E A and E A D. Each of those could fit well with some bass progression giving any number of hip extended jazz chords-with the possibilities for voice leading by choice of top note; or they could just represent a small step outside without playing any out of key notes. |
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Michael James
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La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2016 7:43 am
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| I know that when I'm playing in church I use the Gsus chord alot. Gsus - sound like Jesus. Ok, it wasn't funny. Dad humor. My son is rolling his eyes as I type this. lol |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2016 9:53 am
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| Erv Niehaus wrote: |
I always thought it was a suspended 3rd.
So instead of a C chord being C E G, it's C F G. |
That's called a Csus4, because F is the 4th. It's usually just called Csus - the 4th is assumed because it's by far the most common sus chord.
When a sus4 is used as the V chord in jazz, a b7 note is often added. It's written as G7sus or G7sus4.
The 7sus4 is similar to an 11th chord, which is often used as a dominant in jazz. The 11th has a 3rd in the lower octave and a 4th (11th) in the higher octave. It may also include a 9th. 1 3 5 b7 9 11 or G B D F A C. See my blog if this interests you.
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Michael James
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La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2016 1:55 pm
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ok, I'll stop joking around.
In jazz the sus is used to create a minor type sound that is not as dark as minor. A modern jazz sound. But you solo over them the same way as Dorian minor. For example G9sus 1G, 7A susC 5D b7F notes function as 11, 5, b7 1 and b3 of the Dmi chord.
The key to soloing over the 9sus or the Dorian minor is where you place the harmonic strengths. Putting chord tone or color tones on up beats or down beats can change the perception of the over all harmonic sound.
I treat a lot of 7th chords as if they we're 7sus, 9sus or dorian. A great tune to do that on is "All Blues" over the I7 Chord. Play the notes in the C major scale (Dorian/mixolydinan). Depending on how you play the scale it will take on your current perception of the chord. |
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