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Topic: Why aren't you playing a D10? |
Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2004 10:57 am |
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I would say the main reason I'm not playing a D10 is because after playing a Sho-Bud Pro-1 S10 for about a year, I went to a Jeff Newman week long seminar (I recall I was an S10 player in a sea of D10's and just a few S12U's that week), and he impressed upon me, (with the overwhelmingly fanatical insistance he is known for  ), the S12U concept.
He demonstrated the S12U's ability to play any famous lick/run/style with grace and ease.
I ordered an Emmons S12U the next week, and the rest is history.
The E9/B6 1:1 theoretic/logical musical relationship is/was a slam dunk for me with regard to learning, playing, and understanding the ever expanding/contracting "big picture" of the steel playing universe.
I may buy a D10 some day, if, for example, I find a must-have classic. But it will be E9 and B6th, adding 2 high strings to the 6th neck and forgoing the standard strings 9 and 10 (in a band situation, I use the high notes way more than the low notes), and there will not be an open D string in the E9th tuning either, (as that would just mess me up ). For me, a 10 string neck, is, in and of itself, a compromise.
Fun Stuff!
[This message was edited by Pete Burak on 24 December 2004 at 11:22 AM.] |
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 24 Dec 2004 11:55 am
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| The E9/B6 1:1 theoretic/logical musical relationship is/was a slam dunk for me with regard to learning, playing, and understanding the ever expanding/contracting "big picture" of the steel playing universe. |
Well Pete, consider yourself miles ahead of me.
I'm still working on the "Space Time Continuum".
Tutte Le Strade Portano a Roma..
Merry Xmas.
EJL [This message was edited by Eric West on 24 December 2004 at 02:08 PM.] |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2004 12:09 pm
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I don't play a D-10 because I need the low G# and E strings on my E9th. D-10 only works for me if I'm one of 3 or 4 lead instruments in a large band, and all I have to do is make pedal steel sounds when the leader points at me.
I get a few gigs like that, but not many.
For the same reason, I think that a D-10 is great in the recording studio. The steel player never has to cover the guitarist's vamp while he takes a solo in the studio. The steel player is expected to make pedal steel sounds, and nothing else. A D-10 is the perfect instrument for session work.
I get a few gigs like that, but not many.
I have 3 pedal steels. Two are S-12 and one is D-12. I've owned 3 different D-10s. I liked them for playing in big country bands or playing sessions. I never could get what I needed from them in quartets, though, or when playing rock. If I tune one neck of a D-10 in a way that works well for rock, I lose some of the country or swing stuff.
The 12 string format just works better for my music.
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Sierra SD-12 (Ext E9), Williams D-12 Crossover, Sierra S-12 (F Diatonic)
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 24 Dec 2004 1:11 pm
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{quote]and all I have to do is make pedal steel sounds when the leader points at me.[/quote]
ROTFL
I can see having a classic D-10, a classic D-12 and a tricked out S-12 |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 24 Dec 2004 1:31 pm
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Because at the gigs I play only E9 is needed, so I take my Emmons S-10 or my Carter SD-10.
They never leave their cases except at a gig or rehersal.
The D-10 stays at home in the practice room.
Actually it gets played the most.
[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 24 December 2004 at 01:32 PM.] |
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Bill Miller
From:
Gaspe, Quebec, Canada
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Posted 24 Dec 2004 3:24 pm
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| I'd rather have bought a D10 but they're quite a bit more expensive than my S10-DB. I've never sat at guitar with a C6 neck but maybe some day I will. For now I've still got a long climb to go up the E9 learning curve. |
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 24 Dec 2004 5:06 pm
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Because learning two tunings in non-enharmonically related keys never made sense to me. The power of having it all on one neck far outweighs the minor tuning annoyances, which are real but can be dealt with.
I also need the range -- at least equivalent to a six-string guitar -- and the harmonic combinations, both the 'vanilla chords' and more closely voiced and complex chords in two or more octaves.
U12 for me. Your mileage may vary.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Al Marcus
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Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 24 Dec 2004 7:05 pm
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Larry-Right on!.....Merry Christmas...al
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Ron Randall
From:
Dallas, Texas, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2004 9:07 pm
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| I get all I need from a SU-12. The learning time is much shorter. I see plenty of reasons to keep things simple, and no reasons to complicate. |
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Chris Forbes
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Beltsville, MD, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2004 6:01 am
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| Uhhhhhhhh...... I do play a D10!! |
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Will Aytes
From:
Bartow, Florida, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2004 7:10 am
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I own a D-10 Mullen HWP, bought it new this yr. took delivery of it in May. What a beautiful piece of work, tone to die for, but I also have a Zum S-12U. I find I am developing a bad habit on the D-10(laying my arm on the back neck which confines movement of my hands across the E9th strings. I believe I am going to get along better with the S-12U because of the versatility and playability (has nothing to do with brand name)Del Mullen, Bruce Zumsteg,your guitars are great. I feel I have 2 GREAT guitars. I need to just work on my bad habit. Any of you ever had the same problem????????
Regards
Will
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Mullen D-10 HWP 8&5, Zum U-12 7&5 Transtube Fex, Nashville 400
[This message was edited by Will Aytes on 25 December 2004 at 07:12 AM.] [This message was edited by Will Aytes on 25 December 2004 at 07:13 AM.] |
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Ernie Pollock
From:
Mt Savage, Md USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2004 9:12 am
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I always loved those low notes on the E9th/B6th tuning & played in many situations where I had to play rhythm things, this is possible on the D-10's, but a heck of a lot easier on the S-12U's, since you can change the 'base' chords on the low notes also with the A&B Pedals. I must admit however, that I still love the feel of the 10 string better than the 12 string, but its just not as useful overall to what I do with steel guitar. guess if I had just a 10 string E9th, I would get rid of that 9th string, by moving the 10th B up into the 9th string slot & adding the 'D' note to that with a lever, and I would probably put a low 'E' note on there instead of a low G#, tried that once a few years ago & I think I could have lived with that guitar, had I not had a 12 stringer. Anyone who has ever heard me play Universal can tell you, I use the whole 9 yards on it!!
Ernie :} Oh, have a Merry Christmas & Happy New year to all the forum guys & gals.
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Dennis Detweiler
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Solon, Iowa, US
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Posted 25 Dec 2004 3:52 pm
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Yup..burned up plenty of long sleeve band shirt cuffs on that D-10. You can tell which band member is playing steel if you happen to walk in at break time. He's the guy with the fuzzy fabric hanging off his left sleeve cuff. What's more embarrassing is to be in the middle of a ride and the left sleeve cuff button gets caught between the strings which results in an annoying "ploink!" at the end of the ride. If for no other reasons, switch to a U-12
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