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Topic: A Christmas Card With a Gift |
Randy Beavers
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Lebanon,TN 37090
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 5:55 am |
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First, I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas. Now for the gift? You'll have to work a little for this.
Let me start off by saying I got to spend a little time with Buddy Emmons. He showed me his new JCH, and played for me some of the new changes he is able to do with his E9th setup. He is not raising the 10th string along with the 5th on the A pedal. This allows him to play a 4 over 5 chord with the pedals down. This is just "ONE" of several combinations. I wasn't willing to take the 10th string raise off the A pedal, so I started looking for another way to get this.
What I decided to try was to lower the 10th string on my RKR 1 tone. This is the lever where I lower 2 a whole tone with a half stop, and 9 a half tone. Then use the "split tuning" screw to bring the 10th string back to a B when the A pedal is pushed. I've always thought of using the split tuning feature for half tones, never to cancel out a previous move. This has become a major step up for me on the E9th tuning. It is not just to play a lick or two with. If you want to play some of the voicings you hear on piano, in some of the contemporary songs, this might be for you. As I said earlier, the 4 over 5 is just "one" of the combinations. If you want to try out this move, simply "untune" your 10th string raise. If you like what you hear, then you can think about adding it like I did. Or maybe you want to do it like Buddy does, by not raising 10 on the A pedal, but with a knee lever.
Buddy was gracious to share this with me, and gave me permission to share it with others.
Merry Christmas!
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Randy
http://hometown.aol.com/pulltightb/home.html
[This message was edited by Randy Beavers on 15 December 2004 at 05:57 AM.] |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 5:58 am
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| Thanks Randy....that sounds like a great idea! If I ever get a state of the art new steel with splits, then I'll definitely do that!!! |
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Paul King
From:
Gainesville, Texas, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 7:25 am
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| Thanks Randy for the info. As always Buddy Emmons has allowed the info to be passed on to other steel players as well. Buddy is not only a great steeler but has a tremendous heart as well. I cannot imagine my playing steel without his influence. Here's wishing both you guys a Merry Christmas. |
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Fred Justice
From:
Mesa, Arizona
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 7:36 am
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Hey Randy,
Thank you again for bringing this new opening of poetential to the E9th tuning.
I might add the best part is just knowing the type of person you are that you'll be here to guide any of us through the learning of this new change,thanks, to you and Buddy 
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Fred Justice
Events Dir.
SWSGA www.swsteelguitar.com
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Buddy Emmons
From:
Hermitage, TN USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 7:50 am
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Thanks Randy… I just sent the setup for the JCH E9 to Ernie Renn and asked him to post it on the Buddy Emmons web site so you all can see the mess I’ve gotten myself into. Ernie will inform everyone when it’s finished.
Seriously, I feel good about the change. Lowering the low B to Bb, A, and G# has widened the scope of the E9th tuning considerably for me. It’s not for everybody but for those that like to venture out once in a while, the rewards are there. At the very least, it could send some creative heads out there in other directions that would be beneficial to everybody. The more the merrier.
Speaking of merrier, merry Christmas to all.
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Ernie Renn
From:
Brainerd, Minnesota USA
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Steve Schmidt
From:
Ramsey, MN, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 9:09 am
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Can someone explain what is meant by "4 over 5" ?
Thanks
Steve |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 10:05 am
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Steve,
That's a '4' chord (a 'C' in the key of G) played over a '5th' bass-note (a 'D' when you're in the the key of G). It's a common 'voicing' in modern music.
RR[This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 15 December 2004 at 10:06 AM.] |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 10:09 am
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A 'PS'....
I'm getting ready to send my pedal set-up to Jimmie in the next few days - my new black D-10 JCH is not too far away now....
R |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 10:18 am
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Wow Buddy...that really looks interesting!!!
I'd be curious to hear how you use the low G# . Also it's interesting that you kept the half stop on string 2 when you have also got the D note on your LKL. |
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Steve Schmidt
From:
Ramsey, MN, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 12:35 pm
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Thank you for the reply on the "4 over 5". Does anyone have an example of this or how it fits in?
Thank you very much
Steve Schmidt |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 1:01 pm
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Steve...actually the chord itself is really an 11th, or at the very least a 9th with a sus4. This chord can be used in other ways besides a 4/5, although you probably don't know that you hear it almost every day on the radio in that context. As a 4/5 (as with a regular V7), there is a strong pull back to the root (I) of the progresion.
This chord however does not always have to be used in this context. *Think Bb over C (Bb/C)
resolving to C in the intro for "You've lost that loving feelin' |
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Buddy Emmons
From:
Hermitage, TN USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 1:07 pm
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Rick,
The half/whole tone combo on the RR knee should be a whole tone lower only and will be corrected as soon as Ernie wakes up from his nap. [This message was edited by Buddy Emmons on 15 December 2004 at 02:25 PM.] |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 1:31 pm
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| Cool Buddy! That's a nice way to get rid of the half stop. I never feel quite right with that thing. Sorry to keep asking questions, but which Left KL's are on the inside and which are on the outside? Thanks in advance. |
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Buddy Emmons
From:
Hermitage, TN USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 2:50 pm
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Rick,
The first LL and last LR are mounted closest to me. The middle three, which are my standard levers, are mounted toward the center of the guitar. I was told by Jimmy Crawford that the "cheekage" factor is best served by placing the two levers you are not used to at the back of the guitar. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 4:28 pm
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I've had the knee lever which does a 2nd and 10th full tone lower now for many years (though I never thought of using it for the 4/5 chord). I added the 10th (B to A) change on the lever that was lowering my 2nd a full tone, just to give me the "A" note on the bottom string for chord voicing and for "Don Rich" straight guitar licks. Soon, I discovered it gives the prettiest IV-V7 change on the guitar! I can't do "tab", but the move goes like this...
With this knee lever and the "B" pedal engaged, play strings 2,6,10 for the IV chord, now just let off the knee for the V7 chord, and then then play strings 4,6,10 with no pedals.
Sweet! |
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Ernie Renn
From:
Brainerd, Minnesota USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 7:48 pm
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It has been corrected. (I have a 5 year old in Kindergarten and some days I deem it necessary to nap before she gets home from school. )
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My best,
Ernie
www.buddyemmons.com
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Bobby Bowman
From:
Cypress, Texas, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 15 Dec 2004 10:40 pm
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I was fortunate enough to also be there the first time Randy got to see Buddy with his JCH and the new changes. Ron Elliot was there for a while also. I gotta' tell ya', it was a very good day,,,,in lot's of ways.
My thanks to Buddy and Randy for their willingness to share.
Yet,,,,the very best thing that day was to get to visit with Peggy and talk about all kind's of things including Ben Possum and the raccoon.
I gotta' tell ya this too,,,there are a lot of great "ladies of steel",,,but Peggy Emmons is and always will be "the first lady of steel". I love her and may God bless her and Buddy in these trying times.
BB[This message was edited by Bobby Bowman on 15 December 2004 at 11:05 PM.] |
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Tony Dingus
From:
Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 16 Dec 2004 10:16 am
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Buddy, are those BL710 pickups in your guitar? Thanks and Merry Christmas
Tony |
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Buddy Emmons
From:
Hermitage, TN USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Dec 2004 11:44 am
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| They are Lawrence pickups but I'm not sure about the numbers. |
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Randy Beavers
From:
Lebanon,TN 37090
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Posted 18 Dec 2004 4:54 am
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I thought I'd throw in another little piece of the puzzle, for those who have tried this.
Press the A pedal, (with that 10 string raise tuned out), along with the F lever. Then play any combination of strings 3, 4, 5, 6, and 8, along with the 10th string. If you are in the key of C and play this combination on the 6th fret, it is a G chord with a F in the bass, or a 5 over 4 chord. The previous example was a 4 over 5 chord. This chord is very nice when the progresion in going to a 3 minor, an E minor in this case. |
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