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Nicholas Ackron
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Daytona Beach
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Posted 7 Jan 2016 9:51 am |
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| Hi, I recently acquired this beautiful 1977 ShoBud. I was wondering if anyone new anything about this model and what would be a price for parts. |
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Nicholas Ackron
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Daytona Beach
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Posted 7 Jan 2016 10:21 am
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 7 Jan 2016 10:29 am
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By any chance, did you get all the missing parts too? Possibly a later model Pro 1?
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Nicholas Ackron
From:
Daytona Beach
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Posted 7 Jan 2016 11:21 am
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| I have some of them, the pedal bar and 3 pedals, the tuning rods, and some screws. |
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Lane Gray
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Posted 7 Jan 2016 12:27 pm
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If you don't have a drawer full of parts, it's gonna cost a pile.
Knee lever kits are somewhere around 150-175 each, and pedal kits slightly less (without pedals, more if you need pedals and rods). If it needs all 3 & 4, that's over a grand.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 7 Jan 2016 12:39 pm
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Congratulations Nick! Finally!
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Dr. Z Surgical Steel amp, amazing!
"74 Bud S-10 3&6
'73 Bud S-10 3&5(under construction)
'63 Fingertip S-10, at James awaiting 6 knees
'57 Strat, LP Blue
'91 Tele with 60's Maple neck
Dozen more guitars!
Dozens of amps, but SF Quad reverb, Rick Johnson cabs. JBL 15, '64 Vibroverb for at home.
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Nicholas Ackron
From:
Daytona Beach
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Posted 7 Jan 2016 1:35 pm
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Mr. Lane I have the pedal rack and 3 pedals and rods.
Mr. John: thanks sir. |
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 7 Jan 2016 1:55 pm
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Wow, I hope you didn't pay too much for that guitar. Lane is correct on the cost for missing pull train parts. You are also missing parts from the changer -- the other "L" support, the comb, lower return springs, etc. All in all the missing parts will probably cost about as much or possibly more than the guitar will be worth when back in proper working order if you buy all new parts.
What happened to all the original parts? You're best hope would be to find someone who has converted a D10 who can sell you a bulk lot for a reasonable price. Lots of forumites have stray parts for sale but that might take a while.
This guitar looks like it was 3p, 4k, it would have been the last generation with round cross shafts and two hole pullers with the set screw clamping swivels (no barrels). In any case it's likely to take a lot of work fitting and modifying whatever parts you can come up with to get it all working again. Not a big problem if you're handy and have the tools.
You should post a picture of all the parts you DO have. Michael Yahl stocks most of what it appears you will need, but not everything. John B. seems to be in contact with James Morehead, perhaps he can help you get a hold of some/all of the missing parts. |
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 7 Jan 2016 2:08 pm
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Nicholas, it's also worth mentioning that, with the exception of the missing changer parts, you wouldn't have to use Sho-Bud pull train parts (yes, I know the purists will disagree, just mentioning a practical option).
Since your not mating up to anything, you could install the pull train from most any guitar brand that would bolt on in a similar fashion (cross shafts, bell cranks, knee levers, etc.). You might find something used, or check with some of the smaller builders like BSG, or any builder for that matter. |
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Nicholas Ackron
From:
Daytona Beach
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Posted 7 Jan 2016 2:15 pm
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| Thanks sir and it didn't cost much and the body and case is in amazing shape. I will try to take and upload picture of the parts from my phone. It seems to take forever for them to upload. |
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Nicholas Ackron
From:
Daytona Beach
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Posted 8 Jan 2016 3:48 pm
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| TTT |
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 8 Jan 2016 5:59 pm
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Curious what the TTT is for -- what exactly are you looking for here? The questions you asked in your OP have been answered. If something is unclear or there are other specific questions, let us know what they are. There are a lot of people here who know these guitars well. A little information and feedback can go a long way.
What do you want to end up with? 3p/4k? All original Sho-Bud parts or just whatever works? What about the original parts, where are they? Gone for good? Are you confident and well equipped enough tool-wise to do all the work yourself? Do you already know what parts you need or are you actually looking for someone to tell you? If so, say it.
If you are looking for a detailed list of all the specific parts you'll need, you should start by posting a pic or at least a clear accounting of the parts you do have. You said you have the pedal rack, but it's not clear what rods you have -- tuning rods or pedal rods? Anything else at all besides just the screws you mentioned? You're missing a LOT of parts.
For pricing on new parts, start here: http://www.psgparts.com. Have you tried contacting John Billings re: James Morehead? He could be an excellent resource for you and it seems like you already know one another.
If you treat this more like a conversation you'll get a lot more out of it. Just sayin'...  |
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Nicholas Ackron
From:
Daytona Beach
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Posted 8 Jan 2016 6:40 pm
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| I would like to do it 3x4, with whatever parts I can get. If I can get your email, then I'll send you a pictures to post, if that's fine. I would be able to put the parts on if I had a diagram or someone walking me through it. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 7:10 am
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Nicholas, email me the pics and I can put them up.
We can't help without knowing what you have and what you're missing. My email is Kcsteelplayer at aol.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 8:21 am
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There are several options you might have, but if you don't know how to assemble the undercarriage, even if you have all the parts, it's gonna be a true learning experience for you.
Thankfully most of the screw holes are already drilled.
If it were me, I'd send the guitar to Jeff Surratt at Show-Pro and ask if he would reassemble the guitar with his parts. You'd then have a vintage cabinet with the best of the new mechanisms. Probably expensive but also probably well worth it.
Assuming, of course, that Jeff would do it. You might contact Mike Cass or Billy Knowles as well.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Gene Haugh
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 9:01 am Steel #12603
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Nicholas,
According to the information I have this steel Ser. #12603 left the Sho~Bud factory on 10/31/77 and went to Gretsch inventory. It was then re-shipped on 3/13/79 to M&M Music Valdosta GA. The steel is listed as a Model 6139, Built - 10/24/77 By Paul Franklin and checked by Yasu Kameya. The color is listed as Charcoal.
That is all the information on the production card!
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 12:55 pm
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| It also wouldn't hurt to let everyone know how much $ you are willing to spend to get the guitar back in shape, as this might limit your options and potentially temper the advice offered here. Keep in mind that a basic 6139 in good shape, if restored to proper working condition, will probably be worth ~$1,400-$1,600. If you plan to keep it for a while this may not matter to you, but if were me I would certainly consider it in the equation. Your most economical option might even be to just find a cheap beater Sho-Bud of similar vintage that is still mechanically sound and just swap the necessary parts, sell the rest. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 2:18 pm
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| It also wouldn't hurt to let everyone know how much $ you are willing to spend to get the guitar back in shape, as this might limit your options and potentially temper the advice offered here. Keep in mind that a basic 6139 in good shape, if restored to proper working condition, will probably be worth ~$1,400-$1,600. If you plan to keep it for a while this may not matter to you, but if were me I would certainly consider it in the equation. Your most economical option might even be to just find a cheap beater Sho-Bud of similar vintage that is still mechanically sound and just swap the necessary parts, sell the rest. |
Ian, I know what you're saying and understand. However my personal feeling... what I would do based on my position in life... is that the Universe asks of us to restore to playing condition instruments too nice to relegate to the Trash Heap of History, regardless (within reason) of resale value.
Example from my personal experience: a friend of mine acquired an extremely clean Gibson EC-530 non-pedal guitar, but with an incorrect case. She paid too much IMHO, but whatever. Anyway, an original, UNUSED EC-530 Gibson CASE showed up here on Buy and Sell for a reasonable price, and I told her she MUST get that case... the Universe demanded it. How many NEW freakin' cases for that guitar are there? Gibson only made 220 of them!
Nah, she said, she was gonna return the guitar to the dealer who'd take it back. Then the case showed up on eBay. I couldn't let it go. I paid her what she paid for the guitar, and I BOUGHT THE CASE on eBay. I'm probably 300 bucks into the horn more than its market value, but a wonderful guitar is now mated with its correct case.
On some instruments, resale value should not trump what should be done to MAKE THINGS RIGHT in the world.
So it is with this Sho~Bud, IMHO. Some things are more important than the bottom line with musical instruments. It will all even out in the wash eventually, and an intrinsically valuable instrument will be saved from the previously referred-to dustbin.
Just MHO, your mileage may vary.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 3:08 pm
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Understood Herb, I don't disagree with your sentiments in the broader sense (and FWIW I do consider you the wisest of the SGF sages). It's not likely however that this guitar will end up in the trash heap/dustbin, regardless of what action Nicholas takes. It is quite a bit further removed from universal harmonic synchronicity than simply needing the correct case. Not saying it doesn't deserve it, it's just a taller order.
Shame on whoever it was that separated the guitar from it's original innards in the first place (we still haven't heard about what happened there), but the larger point relates to the practical realities of OP's as-yet-unknown budget. If he can afford to do whatever it takes to return it to it's original state, and feels strongly about doing so, then that's his choice. There are lots of ways to get there. If he just wants a 6139 that plays and looks nice for a reasonable cost, this may not be the best avenue for him.
I have no doubt that this guitar will eventually be playable again. Its path to get there, who knows? |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 3:21 pm the same page...
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Ian, we are on the same page. If I could get the guitar "right," I'd do what it would take to make it correct. But, as in everything, "it depends."
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Nicholas Ackron
From:
Daytona Beach
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Posted 9 Jan 2016 5:11 pm
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| Thanks fellows, I appreciate everything from the leads to the info. I spoke to someone that can makr the parts for me. God bless you all and the forum. |
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Nicholas Ackron
From:
Daytona Beach
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Posted 26 May 2016 6:21 pm
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| What would you value this ShoBud body and case at? |
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Kevin Fix
From:
Michigan, USA
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Posted 26 May 2016 7:54 pm Sho Bud Parts
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| Contact James Morehead. He is on the Forum. He was pretty sick for a while. Not sure what he is doing, but, if he don't have the parts he can make them. It's going to be expensive. I have a Mullen Discovery 3+5 and a Sho Bud 3+4. That's a whole lot of parts!!! |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 26 May 2016 8:04 pm
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Needing on the order of 6-700 bucks in parts, and be worth 16-1700 when finished, I'd say a grand would be overpriced.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Nicholas Ackron
From:
Daytona Beach
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Posted 27 May 2016 3:08 am
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| I spoke with him in March and priced all the parts including 4 lever kits at $650. I just want to make sure if I decide to get rid of the body, that I'm selling it at a good price, I'm not trying to get rich or anything, just want to be fair. |
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