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Topic: Look out for "Fake" Nashville LTD Steels. |
Ed Naylor
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Posted 9 Dec 2004 7:39 am |
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| Within the past week I have had 2 people contact me about the LTD's they purchased. AS far as I can tell these are "FAKE" using my logo.I bought LTD in 1993 and any "NEW" LTD bought after May 1994 is a fake unless It was purchased from me. If you know of any such guitars contact me at 1-800-749-3363.ED Naylor Steel Guitar Works. |
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Peter
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Posted 9 Dec 2004 7:50 am
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 10 Dec 2004 8:17 am
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| ED, what is special about the LTD's? Do they have an improved changer? |
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Ed Naylor
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portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.
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Posted 10 Dec 2004 10:01 am
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| The LTD has a Triple R /Triple lower much like most Steels built today.My reason for posting was that I own the Nashville LTD business and name.I will not let someone Steal or use a name I own.I am sure ZUM,MULLEN, CARTER and all the other builders would feel the same as I do. I am presently checking this out and will probably seek legal advice.ED |
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Joe Alterio
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Posted 10 Dec 2004 11:02 am
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Ed,
Were the people calling you able to verify the build date of their guitars? Perhaps they are guitars built prior to your purchase of the name?
Joe |
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Ed Naylor
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portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.
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Posted 10 Dec 2004 11:21 am
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| Joe- That's the problem. They refuse to tell me when and where they got them.As I said. Any "NEW" LTD had to come directly from me..I just copied a photo sent to me and it is a "FAKE". ED |
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Joe Alterio
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Irvington, Indiana
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Posted 10 Dec 2004 11:44 am
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| They refuse to tell me when and where they got them. |
This is odd.....why are they calling you? For parts? Why won't they tell you where/when they got their guitar, yet at least one of them *will* send you a picture?
It seems unlikely there is any scam going on. At best, they just may be guitars built well over 10 years ago and these people just need parts. At worst, there is a guy in the middle of Idaho making 3 pedal steels a year and calling them "Nashville LTD" without knowing or caring that you own the name (not that it's right, but it would be awfully difficult to persue, prove, etc. and too costly).
If I'm not mistaken, the old owner of Nashville LTD is Gary Rittenberry, and he builds a line of guitars called Le Garrett. Perhaps if you sent him the picture, he could tell you if it is one of the guitars that he built pre-1993.
Joe
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Ed Naylor
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portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.
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Posted 10 Dec 2004 12:19 pm
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| Joe- The fellow called me to check a serial #. It was not a valid #. He sent me photos so that I could verify it. He told me where he bought it and I called the previous owner and he refused to tell where or when he got it.One tell tale thing was- it had Emmons PP endplates on it.The fretboard also was different than a LTD. Plus lots of other things. ED |
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Peter
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 4:22 am
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How can you ask us to be on the look out if we don't know what it looks like?
The low quality pictures on your website are not suitable for identification.
Besides, you say the "fake" looks very different. But then, it wouldn't be a "fake", would it?
Is it only the decal you are worried about? If that is the case, why wouldn't they use an Emmons decal or a Sho-Bud decal?
How about posting that picture you have?
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Ron !
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Peter
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 5:10 am
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Thanks for the picture, Ron.
Do you have a copy of the picture of the "fake" guitar as well?[This message was edited by Peter on 11 December 2004 at 05:15 AM.] |
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Ed Naylor
From:
portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 5:44 am
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| Peter- A few months ago you were on the forum complaining about a REMINGTON guitar you bought.It so happens I knew a lot about this guitar because I did some work on it and at one time owned it. I think I even sent you some parts. A "FAKE" is when someone makes or sells an instrument that was not actually produced by the original builder.The photos I have received are of Steels I DID NOT BUILD or knew about. ED |
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 7:38 am
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Very interesting, the guitar in the picture above has my fretboards that I designed and used on my guitars. I sold some to Dick Miller of "Bethel Guitars".
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Ed Naylor
From:
portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 8:20 am
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| What an Irony-The photo Ronald posted is a picture of a guitar just bought as I understand as a NEW guitar in Ireland. The fretboards are the same as the one on the guitars that were purchased here in the U.S. and the owner sent me photos and serial # that did not match any LTD's that I had any connection with. Surely someone has an explanation. ED |
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Ron !
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 9:10 am
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Very strange indeed.
I stumbled a cross this one on the internet a couple of weeks ago.
It has Bobbe's fretboards.And Ed said this is not made by him.
There is a fake builder somewhere.But where?
And does he know that he is using a builders name that already excist?
Nothing wrong with using fretboards from a nother brand I think.
Bobbe do you have some of those boards????
I like them.
If you got some left i would like to buy some of them.
Please mail me my Friend.
Ron
Nikaro SD10 4x6
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 10:47 am
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I do not know where all these different stories are coming from,but i sent Ed Naylor an E-MAIL asking him how much it would cost for a changer ect to put the steel in question back to it`s original state,because somtime in the past the back neck had been removed and a pad put on.Mr Naylor asked for som pic`s of the steel and the underside to see what i might need,and sent me an e/m saying it was a fake .
I sent pic`s in good faith and there was nothing about him wanting the c/n and never did i say it was a new guitar.I bought the guitar in a PX from a good freind of mine who owns Rainbow music in Ireland,and he is a good honest man and would never state anything he thought was not what he thought it was,he bought the Nashville LTD in good faith from a guy in the States who said it was a N/VLTD and is in no way to be blamed because he trusted the seller of the guitar when he was told it was a N/V LTD.
I am sure Ted will help if he can in any way he can to find the details of the guitar in question because it seems he may have been miss imformed as i was, and he is no way to to be blamed in any way for thinking the guitar was not a Nashville LTD because like myself i had never seen one before,but i will say this the guitar after cleaning the changer and putting it back together it is a very nice steel.
JG Emmons legrand ect.
[This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 11 December 2004 at 10:50 AM.] |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 10:49 am
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Why would someone fake a Nashville LTD? It's not exactly the hottest guitar on the market. I can see faking an Emmons, Sho-Bud or Carter - big names - but why counterfeit something that has no big brand name recognition?
This makes no sense to me.
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 10:53 am
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You are so right b0b as allways,
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Ed Naylor
From:
portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 11:16 am
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| Here is the latest- I just got off the phone with Ted Nesbitt. He bought the guitar from a person in the U.S. He bought it good faith and in no way do I blame him in any of this issue. Jimmie also bought in good faith so he also became a part of something unknowlingly.After talking with Ted I am even more convinced it is fake. Question is -who built it,when,and where. ??? ED |
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kyle reid
From:
Butte,Mt.usa
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 11:26 am
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| How many of these guitars were made to cause such a ruckus? |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 11:39 am
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| I'm just wondering something ,are these guitars being built anymore ? If so i have never seen any advertisement about them . I'm thinking that if someone did build a steel and call it the same as yours Ed ,i doubt that he was trying to down grade you . That may even be a compliment in some strange way . There is always something going on somewhere in the U.S.A.and other countrys that we don't know about . And in my conclusion we all are subject to some thing like this sometime or another in an honest way or not . I hope this will be all straightened out soon . Gary . |
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Joe Alterio
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Irvington, Indiana
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 12:09 pm
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Ed,
Do you have the list of serial numbers from Gary Rittenberry when he built the Nashville LTD? Perhaps these guitars are from when he built them, and they have just been modded over the years. I wouldn't call them fake just because you don't have a record from when you have been building them...they could very well be 20-year-old guitars?
Just trying to help....it just seems way too unlikely that somebody would be making a couple of guitars and calling it a Nashville LTD without your consent.
Joe |
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Ed Naylor
From:
portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 12:15 pm
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| Gary- The guitars are still being built. I don't advertise because I am swamped and have a real hard time filling the orders I already have.I really feel complimented for example, a fellow came in today with and"OLD" LTD that someone had put an EMMONS emblem and fretboards on. He loved it and thought he had an EMMONS. He was told it was Emmons when he bought it.He knows better now but still likes the guitar. ED, |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 12:33 pm
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I know a guy that built a fake "Yogo" once.
Ronald, yes I have some fretboards left, I'll check.
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Ron !
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Posted 11 Dec 2004 12:39 pm
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Thank you very much Bobbe.
Ron
Nikaro SD10 4x6
[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 11 December 2004 at 12:42 PM.] |
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