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Dale Foreman
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Posted 21 May 2016 12:25 pm |
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I just bought a new Goodrich volume pedal and have a question for the group. How many of you like 0 volume with the pedal all the up. I personally do not like this. I prefer some preloaded volume on the pedal because I tend to overshoot control. I am assuming that I could preload volume on the Goodrich pedal by changing the starting point of the volume pot. Has anyone done this?
Dale
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 21 May 2016 1:04 pm
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| i like it to shut off, but you can set it wherever you want. |
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 21 May 2016 1:15 pm
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| I like to have some minimum volume. Most of my VPs have a pot between the regular VP-pot and GND, to set the minimum volume I want, and if I ever bother to put my old Goodrich VP to use again, I will give it the same type of minimum volume adjustment. |
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Dale Foreman
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Crowley Louisiana, USA
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Posted 21 May 2016 1:44 pm Goodrich volume control
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| Georg Sørtun wrote: |
| I like to have some minimum volume. Most of my VPs have a pot between the regular VP-pot and GND, to set the minimum volume I want, and if I ever bother to put my old Goodrich VP to use again, I will give it the same type of minimum volume adjustment. |
Georg.. I like your idea and actually I was thinking of adding another pot to do that. I used an old Boss pedal that had this feature on it for many years, so perhaps I could copy the circuitry. I think there would be room on the pedal to do this.
Thanks
Dale
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 22 May 2016 6:52 am
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Circuit is simplicity itself...
Adding a "minimum volume" pot with a value of about 1/10 of the regular VP-pot (47Kohm on a VP with a 470-500Kohm pot), should provide enough of an adjustment range for most.
Cut the wire between the regular pot's GND-lug and GND, and connect the minimum volume pot as drawn. |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 22 May 2016 7:17 am
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In earlier days, the AB pots came with a screwdriver slot in the shaft. You could loosen up the set screw on the collar and, using the hole in the pedal housing, dial in exactly the amount of "pedal off" volume you wanted. You can do this with the pedal powered up and set the exact volume desired.
In later years, the slot vanished, so that's the first thing I do with a new one. Take a hacksaw or dremel and fashion a slot in the end of the shaft.
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 22 May 2016 7:38 am
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| Jerry Overstreet wrote: |
In earlier days, the AB pots came with a screwdriver slot in the shaft. You could loosen up the set screw on the collar and, using the hole in the pedal housing, dial in exactly the amount of "pedal off" volume you wanted. You can do this with the pedal powered up and set the exact volume desired.
In later years, the slot vanished, so that's the first thing I do with a new one. Take a hacksaw or dremel and fashion a slot in the end of the shaft. |
That works fine on VPs that do not use the entire pot-track from off-to-full, leaving some "unused" track at either end.
On VPs that do use the entire pot-track from off-to-full, one risks damaging the pot's end-stop and go past the track. |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 22 May 2016 7:42 am
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Of course. You have to be aware of the amount of rotation and be realistic with the amount of volume you want with the pedal in full up position.
My pedals have a rubber bumper to limit the amount of treadle travel.
The newer Dunlop pots are smaller in diameter so probably different in rotational use. I've a few of them to install so I'll be interested to see how this works for them. |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 22 May 2016 8:25 am
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just to warn new easily influenced members, this seems like unnecessarry fussyness to me.
take the top 200 incredible players of our life. how many of them actually worried about this stuff?
sure, we all tinker a little. it's the nature of the instrument. but the bottom line is the important players learned how to create wonderful sounds....and they weren't doing that while their volume pedal was in pieces on the bench. |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 22 May 2016 8:34 am
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| I don't see this as fussing. You have to adjust the pot on every installation whether you want it all the way off or slightly on anyway. |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 22 May 2016 8:40 am
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Jim Robbins
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted 22 May 2016 9:27 am
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| Jerry Overstreet wrote: |
In earlier days, the AB pots came with a screwdriver slot in the shaft. You could loosen up the set screw on the collar and, using the hole in the pedal housing, dial in exactly the amount of "pedal off" volume you wanted. You can do this with the pedal powered up and set the exact volume desired.
In later years, the slot vanished, so that's the first thing I do with a new one. Take a hacksaw or dremel and fashion a slot in the end of the shaft.
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Thank you, Jerry, you just saved me from a couple hours messing with a low profile Goodrich pedal which had slipped since I installed a new pot - I was about to open it up and try re-stringing. The PEC replacement pots have the slot. |
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Dale Foreman
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Crowley Louisiana, USA
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Posted 22 May 2016 6:15 pm Goodrich Pedal
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My question was basically that, a question or survey if you may. My intention is not to influence any new easily influenced players about anything. I was only trying to find out other players preferences. Why is there always someone on this forum trying to judge whether you are an important player or not? In my opinion, anyone and everyone that plays the steel guitar or is learning the steel guitar is an important player!
Dale
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Richard Wilhelm
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Ventura County, California
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Posted 22 May 2016 9:39 pm
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I don't know how most steelers do it, but I like to have as my starting point of play, just a little bit on. So as I play I never go completely off , most of the time. I also like to silent tune and hit the string somewhat hard. So when it is all the way down it is completely off. I was almost going to re-adjust my Goodrich after these postings but decided not to. So my question is, how do most players use the volume pedal in this regard?
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Lane Gray
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Posted 23 May 2016 12:52 am
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I adjust it so toe down is full-on, and heel-down is allowing some.
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Bruce Derr
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Lee, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 23 May 2016 11:41 am
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| I adjust it so toe down is full-on, and heel-down is allowing some. |
Me too. I want as little series resistance as possible when the pedal is floored. I don't mind if that allows a little through at the "off" end. |
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Richard Wilhelm
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Ventura County, California
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Posted 29 May 2016 7:35 pm
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I just re-adjusted my Goodrich to allow some minimum volume when floored off. It was quite easy, all I had to do was loosen the string that's attached to the bracket, tighten the string a little to the volume spot I wanted without unwinding anything else, retighten the screw and was done. I like it a lot better. Thanks to Lane and Dale for answering my previous question. Another question, I do most of my picking in the 1st 25% of travel and the rest is used to extend any notes, rarely going beyond 75%. Junior Brown once said to use the volume pedal as a way to sustain the notes. What is the most accepted way of using the volume pedal in this regard? There always a lot of newcomers to the forum and oldtimers like me that do things in oddball ways. Note, I do have a lot of reserved volume, in fact I just played some notes at 50% travel and my lights dimmed. Believe it was just a coincidence.
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Craig Baker
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Eatonton, Georgia, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 29 May 2016 8:09 pm
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Richard,
Find some old recordings of Jimmy Day or Buddy Charleton, both masters of the volume pedal.
All the best,
Craig
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 30 May 2016 12:25 am
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I like some volume at the "ZERO" position. I don't adjust anything ,I just add (glue) a small rubber stop so it can't reach zero!
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Dale Foreman
From:
Crowley Louisiana, USA
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Posted 30 May 2016 7:50 am Volume Pedal
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| Richard Wilhelm wrote: |
| I just re-adjusted my Goodrich to allow some minimum volume when floored off. It was quite easy, all I had to do was loosen the string that's attached to the bracket, tighten the string a little to the volume spot I wanted without unwinding anything else, retighten the screw and was done. I like it a lot better. Thanks to Lane and Dale for answering my previous question. Another question, I do most of my picking in the 1st 25% of travel and the rest is used to extend any notes, rarely going beyond 75%. Junior Brown once said to use the volume pedal as a way to sustain the notes. What is the most accepted way of using the volume pedal in this regard? There always a lot of newcomers to the forum and oldtimers like me that do things in oddball ways. Note, I do have a lot of reserved volume, in fact I just played some notes at 50% travel and my lights dimmed. Believe it was just a coincidence. |
To me it's a matter of taste. I always keep enough ride volume at the top where I can also add expression or swell if you may!
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Bill Ferguson
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Milton, FL USA
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Posted 30 May 2016 8:24 am
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Dale, the volume pedals from Goodrich do in fact have a slot in the end of the volume pot.
Simply, remove the 4 screws to take off the bottom plate, then slightly loosen the set screw on the collar (where the string is wound). Holding the volume pedal to a FULL OFF position, insert a small screwdriver in the end of the volume pot and slightly turn clockwise.
Tight the collar screw and then check to see if it is adjusted as desired. It might take a couple of tries.
And Goodrich welcomes calls to help people better understand the volume pedal.
I am also here to help any way I can, so you are welcome to contact me.
770-921-7253
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Dale Foreman
From:
Crowley Louisiana, USA
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Posted 30 May 2016 9:07 pm
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| Bill Ferguson wrote: |
Dale, the volume pedals from Goodrich do in fact have a slot in the end of the volume pot.
Simply, remove the 4 screws to take off the bottom plate, then slightly loosen the set screw on the collar (where the string is wound). Holding the volume pedal to a FULL OFF position, insert a small screwdriver in the end of the volume pot and slightly turn clockwise.
Tight the collar screw and then check to see if it is adjusted as desired. It might take a couple of tries.
And Goodrich welcomes calls to help people better understand the volume pedal.
I am also here to help any way I can, so you are welcome to contact me.
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Thanks for the info Bill. I had found the pot was slotted and I adjusted it to my liking.!
I'm going to pm you about some GL cables.
Thanks Dale
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Richard Wilhelm
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Posted 31 May 2016 1:56 pm
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Previously I had 250 pot and I thought the swell from 0 to 60 (an expression) was faster than in the 500 uf pot. Not sure if I'm correct in this assessment. It was a cool sound but not the one I want to use the most. The pots I've been buying were pots bought at the loacal guitar store. Not sure how it compares to an old Allen Bradley or new Dunlop. But I would like to have 2 volume pedals with the different pots. There was once a post here where you could add a resistor? and a switch to get the different value. Not sure if I want to add a switch to my signal chain. I do know what a great volume swell is but could never duplicate it. I could have too much volume at the start of my swell, but if I change that I lose tone.
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