converting" old Maverick.??

Bob Carlucci · From: Candor, New York, USA

Just a thought... I sometimes see old Mavericks[[ the "good ones" raised maple neck,looks like a real steel]on ebay pretty cheap... I wonder what it would cost to upgrade one to close to ProI specs.. Double/or Triple R/L changer,4 knees maybe 2 extra pedals... probably more than buying a real Bud I imagine???... just wondering out loud to guys like Ricky or Bobbe who know Buds and what [and WHO] are available to help out with such an endevour... it'll probably NOT happen but I've long thought about it if I can find a clean "good Maverick cheap... No contact paper guitars need apply! bob

Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

Your looking at a ball-park between 700-1000 bucks to do what you described.
Ricky

Bob Carlucci · From: Candor, New York, USA

Ricky..Thats actually better than I thought,but after paying $600 for the Maverick..... I think I'll just pass on this idea. You can Get a "REAL" Bud for less than that by far... bob

Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

Yep I agree.

Ed Naylor · From: portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.

Bob- I have rebuilt hundreds of Mavericks over the years and have very good results. I convert to a Super Pro type changer w/drop on 2-4-8- w 3floor and 4 knees.The cost range is usually around $300 ex change w/old parts.Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works.

Ron ! · Posted 6 Dec 2004 6:37 am

I agree with Ed on this.
Changer would be the most expensive part....IF you buy every part brand new!!!
If you put in a new changer I would go for a triple raise double lower.
My 2 cents

Ron

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Roger Edgington · From: San Antonio, Texas USA

Bob,it can be done but you're probably better off passing the Maverick along and picking up a nice single neck. They are plentiful. Just on E-bay alone there is 2 or 3 nice looking singles and several D-10 Sho-Buds. The cabinets are made heavier on the standard singles than on a Maverick.

Ed Naylor · From: portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.

99% of the time I use Sho-Bud Triple raise and Double lower on the 2-4-8-. That way you pretty much can do all you want. As stated - it would cost a lot for all new changer assembly. Most people "Upgrade" their Maverick, then later move on to a D-10 and keep the Maverick as a backup Guitar. Ed

Ed Naylor · From: portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.

Roger- I somewhat disagree with you about Maverick bodies. They are 3/4 Maple the same as on all other Sho-Buds. Also the narrow width ads more strength . The newer "Fender" Mavericks lacked the raised neck, but it had very little to do with the overall strength.The old PRO 1 probably was the strongest Sho-Bud.If you add a new George L Pickup you really have a great sounding as well as playing guitar. ED

Bob Carlucci · From: Candor, New York, USA

GUYS.. I don't even HAVE a Maverick!.. I was just wondering out loud,because the old"good" Mavericks seem to go for the same money or less than the wall paper models! The ones I've seen looked like they could be nice sturdy great sounding/looking LIGHTWEIGHT vintage steel with the right undercarriage!.. I guess I'm starting to get gassed for that old "Bud" sound again. I had some of my best tone ever on a crusty 1965 Bud... and I'll never get that tone out of my skull. It can't be re created by a modern guitar IMHO.... bob

Farris Currie · From: Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.

Hello Bob,at the risk of getting into a war,don't even fool with the maverick!I'm sho-bud to the bone.LOVE EM,best sound i ever had professional,1970,friends still talk about the sound i used to have!as a mechanic told me one time,the more you soup,the more you walk!i had a 57chevy.very dependable,well,started to change things.rebore 327,cams,ect.couldn't get home without break down!i'm now back to old SHO-BUD professional made in early 70s.just can't beat that sound.i know the mechanics on the new guitars are greater.But what about the sounds?get you a old- bud,you want ever be sorry!!!ask Ricky Davis, farris

Ed Naylor · From: portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.

The Maverick had the same changer parts as all other Sho-Bud,but minus the lowering section. The real weak part was the "Coathangers" used to pull changer parts. Some early Mavericks did not have roller bridges. I still contend a Maverick with a good Pickup will hold it's own sound wise. Answer this- If they were so bad why were so many sold??ED

Farris Currie · From: Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.

CHEAPER,,,end casting ect.sure could be fixed up some,still JUNK.why bother,buy a good steel to start with!!legs were straight tubing, non adjustable.ED you know better than that.sure can make something out of them,but can't do it for no 300.00,ha ,i'm not a complete idot!!farris

Ed Naylor · From: portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.

Farris-The End castings for Sho-Bud were all made at the same place.The only difference was the Maverick weren't polished.I never said I used adjustable legs in the $300 price. But for $25 more I use them in the back. I also use chrome steel legs. If you will send your address I will send some photos of some conversions I have done. Ed

Ron ! · Posted 6 Dec 2004 11:21 am

IMO these Sho-Buds were great starter steels back then.Nothing wrong with the cabinet.Nothing wrong with the changer like Ed said.A Maverick could be easly adjusted to a ProI model if one would like too.Non adjustable legs is one of the minor problems.
I think that 60 or 70% of the members on this forum started on a Maverick.So did I.
300.00 could do the Job.
Like Ed said before....Used parts will be good enough for such a job.
I would never use new parts to fix up a Maverick.
When you do use new parts you will need as much as Ricky D said....approx $600

Example:A changer unit T/D cost around $65 Canadian Dollars.
Knee levers kits left and right are $240 Canadian Dollars.
Adjustable legs are $195 Canadian Dollars.

Totals up to $500 Canadian Dollars.
Make that American currency and you will have to pay $450USD.

So used parts will be much cheaper then that.But if you could buy a used Maverick from a friend for let say $300 and you add $450 then you will have a nice steel for $750.And you have a steel with a great sound.

Ron

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Farris Currie · From: Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.

LAUGHING GUY,NO such thing as a mavarick on ebay for 300,they are 5 to7 hundred.for the wooden necks,birds eye ect.then we all know that the pullers were pull only,and the cables were junk.time you put in the cross rods, ect. don't care if they are used,still got lots of cash in them.then legs adjustable,ect. hey if you need a job i've got some lawnmower blades that need sharpening!!! ha ha, not trying to be a smart ass but don't do much for 300.00 dollars. post pictures on here edd. for all to see. farris

Bob Carlucci · From: Candor, New York, USA

Man I can't beleve what I started here!!.. IT wsa a HYPOTHETICAL question! You guya are too violent... Forget I asked!!

Farris Currie · From: Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.

forgot to mention,i expect the end plates polished out like new.and that Jerry walace pickup instaled yea,and the triple raise and double lower fingers yea man.along with the nice adjustable legs,i be hunting one on ebay right away.and i do want a statement saying only 300.00dollars.talking to you soon..............farris

Farris Currie · From: Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.

forgot the 5 knee pedals,i hope they are the curved origional kind...i'll send you my set up soon!!!!!!!!

Ron ! · Posted 6 Dec 2004 12:17 pm

Farris.

I will take you on on this one.
You send me a maverick and I'll convert it for you.For only $300 you get a converted Maverick.You ship it to me and I will convert it for $300.
I will get you one with 5 kneelevers....the teardrop shaped..triple double changer and adjustable legs.For only $300....just to prove that you are wrong.

Ron

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Ooops.....Forgot to mention.You pay shipping

[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 06 December 2004 at 12:30 PM.]

Farris Currie · From: Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.

Dang i need a nice sho-bud boys,one with raised neck.wonder what shipping will be??
mabe we get a nice guitar,boys i can't hardly wait.sure hope we don't have to pay in advance!!like to pay when we get it,see if it's what we really want.sure excited!!!
Needed one Mavarick!!! farris

Ed Naylor · From: portsmouth.ohio usa, R.I.P.

Farris- I can't post photos but, send your address and I will some to you and you can post them. I will also send some photos of Sho-Tom, the cat I rescued that loves to set on the bench and knock parts to the floor as I work on guitars. ED

Farris Currie · From: Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.

Thanks EDD, no hard feeling, but guess i'm, going to send it to Ronald, think he will do a better job, cheaper and better. can't compete with those forien people you know...
farris

Ron ! · Posted 6 Dec 2004 1:16 pm

Farris.

I believe that Ed could teach me a lot in steel guitar busines when it comes to building and rebuilding.Also customizing is something that Ed does better then me.Believe me.I've seen some of Ed's work.
Great craftsman.

Ron

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Jack Abraham · From: Oklahoma

Bob:

Good topic ... I'm glad you posted it for discussion. I have an old Maverick that served me well for many nights/years. It has been in the closet for some time now-replaced by a LDG. In my case, an upgrade might make sense - it would sure be easier to move to gigs when my old back is acting up! Looking back,it amazes me that the Maverick held-up as well as it did ---- considering how much abuse I put it through!

Jack

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