7th pedal C6th

Lee Bartram · From: Sparta, Kentucky, USA

I am learning c6th and am doing pretty good with pedal 5&6 and my knee levers but I am having trouble making any sense out of pedal 7 and where I can use it. I have thing showing chords it makes but I can't seem to hear a good inversion that i can use or when to use it.For instance San Antiono Rose say in the key of G.Where would you use it. I've seen it refered to as the swing pedal,I guess i'm probably missing something real simple but any help would be appreciated.

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

Lee check your maill

Maj7 +5 frets strings 7 6 5 4 3 2
Minor9 + 3 frets strings 8 7 6 5 4

Maj6 +5 frets strings 6 5 4 3 2

Dom13b9+11 + 4 frets pedals 5,6&7 strings 8,7,6,5,3,

Plenty more.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 13 December 2004 at 06:44 AM.]

Gene Jones · From: Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)

More variations for 7th pedal.....

...strings 4567 with pedal 7 = major 7th

...strings 34567 with pedal 7 = major 9th

...strings 456 with pedals 6 & 7 = augmented

[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 13 December 2004 at 07:23 AM.]

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

It gives you a I chord at the IV fret. So, suppose you're in G and you've worked your way up to the 12th fret for a C chord. You can use pedal 7 to get back to the G without moving the bar.

CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

Fret 5 - pedals 5 & 7 will give you a hip G chord

David Mason · From: Cambridge, MD, USA

The fourth string A is a 4th above the sixth string E. With pedal 7, this note is raised to a B, a 5th above the E.

The third string C is a 4th above the fifth string G. with pedal 7, this note is raised to a D, a 5th above the G.

This pedal is tremendously important to me in finding and playing single string melodies - I just wish I had a spare foot sometimes.

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

I think that pedal 7 is less important if you have a D as your first string. Both of the notes are available elsewhere - B lowered from C on the standard knee lever, and D on the first string.

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

CB
that 5+7 is a Dom13 chord strings 10 thru 3.

Yes cool chord.

John Bechtel · From: Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.

Pedals #7 & #8 produce an A11 tuning on #10 thru #3-strings:
[A]–[E]–A–[C#]–E–G–[B]–[D]. Push Pedals #7 & #8 and hold them down to play the entire Hawai’ian-Song “SAND”, in the Key of C, Fret #5.

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J D Sauser · From: Wellington, Florida

I have always wonderd what the history of that pedal might have been.

The middle (main) 2 pedals clearly are an evolution out of the two most typical "chord"-slants of the ol' non pedal days.
So is the 8th pedal (IMO wrongly labeled the "boo-wah" pedal, which much rather emulates the A7th side of Jerry Byrd's C6th-A7th tuning.
The old first pedal (4 on a D10 setup) is quite logical too, although a bit simple.
So where did that 7th pedal come from? Like most any change there is it sure can do a lot, still they all sound kind'a funny and strechy. So well, the only explanation I could come up with so far is, that when used in combination with the 8th pedal it turns the whole neck into one big 11th voicing... similar to the great B11th tuning... so, was that the intention? I am too young to tell (luckingly Razz

), but luckingly too, we still have the creator's generation around to tell us (?)

... J-D.

Earnest Bovine · From: Los Angeles CA USA

Alvino Rey used it. This is from b0b's pages http://www.b0b.com/tunings/rey.htm



# note    1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10      knee levers     


1  E  _______+F#_+F#_________________________________________________


2  C# ___-C__+D#_____+D______________________________________________


3  B  _______________________-Bb_________+C________-Bb__+C___________


4  G# ___-G______________________-G__-G______+A_____________-G__+A___


5  E  ___________+F#_____+F#_________________________________________


6  C# ___-C__+D#_____+D__+D__________________________________________


7  B  _______________________-Bb_____-A__+C________-Bb__+C___________


8  G# ___-G______________________-G__-G______+A_____________-G__+A___


9  E  _______________________________________________________________


10 B  ___+C__________________________-A______-A______________________

You can hear it on the ending one of Alvino's big band records from about 1944.

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

Treat yourself to Buddy's 'Basic C6' course - he demonstrates very effective applications in that (notably the 6/9 chord in 'Right Or Wrong'); work your way through that book and you'll have an idea of the pedal's capabilities.

RR

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

Big E uses it a lot with pedal 5
for the B section of Caravan.
Very hip voicings too.

CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

Yep ! what Roger says : Buddy E's "Basic C6"
it taught me the ropes
and you can cop it here on the Fo'...Bro'

Al Marcus · From: Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)

That old major 7th pedal. Ernest is right Alvino Rey did use it a lot, and I saw him use it in 1939!

Not only was it used for all the ways the Forum members posted, they nailed it pretty good, but we used it as a moving thing too.

Say hit P5 and P6 to get a diminished then hit p7 moving it up and down while going up or down every three frets. Nice little effect.

I used to do that on my old 6 pedal 8 string Gibson Electra-Harp in 1947 with both feet on the pedals. No knee levers in those days. Happy Holidays..al

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Rick Schmidt · From: Prescott AZ, USA

Besides all the great chords, I use it alot for emulating E9 A/B pedal type single note licks.
e.g...open fret / key of G. (I think that's kinda similar to what b0b was talking about..)

I tried this change on a KL once, which is a very cool idea, but mostly for this reason I put it back on the floor.

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