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Topic: Question about Derby changer |
winston
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Frankfort, Kentucky 40601
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 1:52 pm |
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Could someone tell me what the allen head screws behind the strings are for. When I got this guitar they were adjusted by someone that should not have had a wrench in his hand. I think they can stop the string from lowering but I don't know why. I need to know how to adjust them. thanks Winston May
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Jerry Overstreet
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 2:20 pm
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Winston, those screws are to adjust final lower on strings that split a note that is both lowered and raised at the same time such as the 6th. string raised to A with a pedal and lowered to F# at the same time.
Tune that split note, G, with the nylon tuner like you would with a lower, then use the split screw there that you describe on the neck end to tune the F# when it's just lowered with the lever only.
I have a sheet of specs here somewhere I can send you if you need it.
All those screws can act as final lower stops. They won't let the lowers go any further than their position as you have found out.
There is more Derby stuff here in the link that Dick Sexton posted in this thread. Cheers. JO. http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=298539&highlight= |
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winston
From:
Frankfort, Kentucky 40601
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 2:38 pm
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| Thanks Jerry. I can use all the help I can get on this one. |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 2:48 pm
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Here's another couple of pages on splits that I don't see on Dick's pages. Our old buddy Boogie wrote this up for Charlie.
I'd be happy to photocopy it and mail it to you if you like. You can PM me your address if so.
[Edit: Wiped here and added to Dick's files.]
Last edited by Jerry Overstreet on 28 Mar 2016 12:51 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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winston
From:
Frankfort, Kentucky 40601
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 2:57 pm
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| Once again Jerry you are a lifesaver. I think I can make these pages out. I appreciate it. Winston |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 2:59 pm
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| Just glad I can help. |
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 3:51 pm
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Winston, It takes a little time to understand the split screws but they are a good thing to have and you will eventually understand them. I love those Derbys. RP
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winston
From:
Frankfort, Kentucky 40601
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 5:57 pm
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| Thanks for the confidence Ron, I am trying to understand this stuff. Winston |
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winston
From:
Frankfort, Kentucky 40601
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Posted 25 Mar 2016 10:43 am
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| Jerry Overstreet, check your PM mail please. thanks Winston |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 25 Mar 2016 11:35 am
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| Sent a reply Winston. Left a ph.# too. |
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Richard Alderson
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2016 9:02 am Putting Two Threads Together
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The forum is such an amazing resource. In Dick Sexton's link there are five pages, including "Page Two" about fine tuning the lowers with the Allen head screws on Derby changers. Where is Page One ? Answer - at least for me - missing for quite some time. Now with Jerry Overstreet's photo image, Page One and Page Two can be read together.
My guitar developed a problem with the lowers that I had to solve by adjusting one of these screws. I found out about it last year, but I wish I had known earlier. In my case it turned out that over a period of time, a couple of the screws had moved on their own, apparently with instrument vibration, stomping the pedals, swaying and engaging the levers, normal movements happening in the course of playing the guitar, the screws moved and needed adjustment. So all I knew was the 8th string E lower wouldn't go down all the way, and for 2 days I went crazy trying to adjust with the nylon tuner and looking at the underside from all angles. Why only the lowers? I couldn't figure it out !!
I wish I had had the information from this thread last year. Dick Sexton's thread provided additional rodding information and had Page Two about the lowers. Now finally I get to read Page One, which Jerry Overstreet has copied for us here.
Thanks to Jerry and thanks once again to the Forum.
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 26 Mar 2016 9:08 am
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| Dick will be updating his file shortly, so all of this info will be available from one source. |
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Richard Alderson
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2016 9:42 am
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That's good news for the Derby community.
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winston
From:
Frankfort, Kentucky 40601
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Posted 26 Mar 2016 9:48 am
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| Thanks to Jerry Overstreet I now have an excellent playing Derby guitar. Your last email did the trick Jerry. thanks again and if you need anything I might have just let me know. Winston May |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 26 Mar 2016 9:57 am
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Well, there's this new G2 I've been wanting.... 
Glad to be of help. I figure I owe you one. I'm still lamenting the lousy signal I sent you at one of the Lexington Classic shows. I'm sure it must have been frustrating trying to get a feed off that.
See you around sometime I hope. Take Care. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 26 Mar 2016 12:21 pm
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| kind of surprising that everyone isn't already aware of split tuning. it's been tha biggest steel guitar news since the '80s. you'd think in 18 years of frequenting the forum, everyone would learn about it through osmosis at least. |
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Dick Sexton
From:
Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 28 Mar 2016 12:44 pm Derby Rodding Chart and Tuning Info
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I just want to take a moment to thank Jerry Overstreet for sending me the "Fine Tuning Info" on the Derby steels. It was the pages I have been missing from my file on my One Drive listed in this thread.
Thank you Jerry, much appreciated...
I have up loaded the pages and they should now be available to all Derby players by clicking on this link:
http://1drv.ms/1RcvmRj |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 28 Mar 2016 12:54 pm
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No problem Dick. Thank the folks at Derby and Boogie Sherrard for writing them up and making sure I had a copy when I got my Derby.
Charlie had all this stuff in his head of course, but he was a lot smarter than me.
Dick, check out those perfect corners on that Derby pad in winston's photo.  |
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Dick Sexton
From:
Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 28 Mar 2016 2:36 pm Corners...
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Absolutely perfect!  Great job! |
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winston
From:
Frankfort, Kentucky 40601
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Posted 28 Mar 2016 2:47 pm
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| Jerry, did you have anything to do with my perfect corners on my pad??? |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 28 Mar 2016 4:49 pm
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Maybe. Depends on when it was built.  |
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