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Topic: Day setup for a beginner? |
Scott Parker
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Bay Area, CA
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 5:17 am |
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IF you were a new player and found a great used instrument that was serviced, current production by a company that is still in business, D10 (C6, E9) for about 45% of what the same guitar would cost if purchased brand new from a reputable dealer/source, and the only thing was it had a Day setup, would you take the plunge or recommend it to a new player, or continue to hold out for something else?
I have this exact opportunity, and the only thing holding me back is it is not an Emmons set up, but since I've never played wouldn't learning either set up from the get go be fine? Yes a double neck is overkill for a beginner, but if I can get something really nice upfront that's a lifetime instrument I'd rather go that route than buy something lower end/student model, etc. |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 5:28 am
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| It doesn't matter the set-up. A new player has no muscle memory or habits to unlearn. If it suits you otherwise, I wouldn't consider Day or Emmons set-up as an issue either way. I think it's a wise decision getting started on a pro model. Don't worry too much about the C6 tuning....you can tinker on it as you go once you're used to playing the E9. Good luck! |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 5:48 am
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| I use the Day setup, and I find it's easier (the B letoff A move) on the ankle than the Emmons setup. I asked an orthopedic surgeon about it, and he confirmed that would be the case. I have guitars with both different setups, but the Day ones are far easier and less tiring to play. I wouldn't advise anyone to switch, but I also wouldn't recommend anyone to start with an Emmons setup. |
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Rick Barnhart
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 5:52 am
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I wouldn't let the current set up bother me at all. The guitar you're describing can almost certainly be changed easily from Day to Emmons, As Jerry pointed out, you could leave the set up as is, because you don't have to re-learn anything, but you might find Emmons training material to be a little more prevalent.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 5:57 am
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The instruction material doesn't tell you where the pedals are, just which ones to mash.
Anything played on Day can be played on Emmons and vice versa.
Buy it. Start playing it.
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 6:15 am
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Me too. The first pedal steel I got my hands on was Day, so I just got on and played it. I've heard it said that it's not too hard to swap to playing Emmons if you want to. Or if later on you get an Emmons-set-up guitar and want to convert it, there's plenty of help available on this forum.
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 6:23 am
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Didn't you already order an encore?
The real issue isn't whether the D-10 has the Emmons or Day set up. It can always be changed. The real issue is whether or not you want a D-10.
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 6:45 am
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The Emmons setup is the majority… it's not a big deal to have it switched. I'd advise you to go with the Emmons setup (sorry, Day guys… JMHO)
What's the D10 you've got a line on? |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 6:48 am
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I submit play it like it is.
I play Emmons, but I firmly believe it's better to play the topside, as long as it works.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 7:06 am
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| Skip Edwards wrote: |
The Emmons setup is the majority… it's not a big deal to have it switched. I'd advise you to go with the Emmons setup (sorry, Day guys… JMHO)
What's the D10 you've got a line on? |
What is your rationale for this?
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Jeff Mead
From:
London, England
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 8:01 am
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| Rick Barnhart wrote: |
| but you might find Emmons training material to be a little more prevalent. |
There is no such thing as "Emmons or "Day" training material - everything refers to the A B and C pedals which do the same thing on both guitars, they are just in a different order (which is not referenced in any tab or instructional material).
The only disadvantage of Day is that if you decide to buy another instrument at a later date, there's a good chance it will be set up for Emmons and you would have to change it round but in your case, you probably won't be doing that in the near future, if at all.
I'd say go with it.
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Ed Boyd
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 9:04 am
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All my DVDs show guys playing Emmons setups and show the footwork. Switching the A & C in my head should be easy enough but I took no chances and had my pedal put to a Emmons setup. My wife says I have O.C.D. 
I wonder what these other 5 pedals do? |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 9:35 am
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i have been playing for over 20 years always the Emmons setup
but my next steel will have the Day setup because the Day setup makes more sense ergonomically to me
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 10:51 am
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scott, you seem to only know a little from what you've read...maybe here on the forum.
before getting financially involved i would go meet some real steel players and get some first hand information about how they work. look at them, listen to them and sit down to some. ask questions in person of the players you meet. hang out at local gigs. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 11:44 am
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What kind of changer does the D-10 have? Is it a push-pull, a pull release or an all pull? How many raises and lowers? Does it have split tuning screws? (Not that you'll need them for a few years.)
IMO, you should get the encore and play it for at least 2 years, probably more like 5, till you learn these kinds of things, and then, if you decide to upgrade, you'll be able to make a more informed decision.
A lot of people buy D-10s and never touch the back neck.
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Jeff Mead
From:
London, England
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 12:10 pm
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| Ed Boyd wrote: |
All my DVDs show guys playing Emmons setups and show the footwork. Switching the A & C in my head should be easy enough but I took no chances and had my pedal put to a Emmons setup. My wife says I have O.C.D.
I wonder what these other 5 pedals do? |
The Jeff Newman DVD's show him playing Day setup and I've never heard any of the Emmons players say they have a problem with that and I've found the opposite to be true as well.
I think those other pedals adjust the arm rest  |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 8:17 am
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Scott, I think the Day setup is actually easier to learn because most your basic chord structure like 7ths, minors etc, move is the same direction where as Emmons setup move in opposite directions. When learning you have to think about these moves but after a while thye come natural. Those who already play either setup will know what I'm talking about. Once learned there is no problem. I started out playing Emmons setup and played that way for months until I sat down at a Day guitar which just made much more sense to me so had mine changed over been that way ever since.
The only disadvantage to Day is you are probably in about 15% of the players setup so buying other guitars or sitting in on someone's guitar could be a problem because theirs is probably going to be Emmons setup.
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D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 9:05 am
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Unless you have some sort of physical limitation, it just doesn't make any difference. You're going to be using all 3 of those pedals anyway if your any kind of player, so just pick a configuration and go with it.
I think some of you guys overthink this issue.
As far as popularity, it depends on the region. Around here, it's at least 75 to 80% Day, but it just don't matter. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 2:13 pm
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| Jerry Overstreet wrote: |
Unless you have some sort of physical limitation, it just doesn't make any difference. You're going to be using all 3 of those pedals anyway if your any kind of player, so just pick a configuration and go with it.
I think some of you guys overthink this issue.
As far as popularity, it depends on the region. Around here, it's at least 75 to 80% Day, but it just don't matter. |
I agree 100% with Jerry, especially the over thinking this.
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 24 Mar 2016 8:04 pm
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| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| Jerry Overstreet wrote: |
Unless you have some sort of physical limitation, it just doesn't make any difference. You're going to be using all 3 of those pedals anyway if your any kind of player, so just pick a configuration and go with it.
I think some of you guys overthink this issue.
As far as popularity, it depends on the region. Around here, it's at least 75 to 80% Day, but it just don't matter. |
I agree 100% with Jerry, especially the over thinking this. |
I also agree with both of you, but, with the few students I've had, the day setup is easier but just by a hair. Again neither is limited as to what you can play.
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D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 25 Mar 2016 2:31 am
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I agree that there is probably less to this than meets the eye, although Donny is right about the mechanics of the foot - lifting off the A is more natural if it's outward (although B.E. didn't seem to struggle).
But what settles it for me as a universal player is that the A pedal next to P5 is valuable*, while as far as I've learnt so far, the C pedal would not be much use at all.
[*with the vertical it gives the equivalent of the C->C# raise on the C6, which is often used with P5]
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 25 Mar 2016 10:55 am
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we are over thinking again...
it's still ABC Pedals, nothing has changed. It's still the exact same music.
Like Lane says, play the top of the guitar ! The bottom is for your feet and knees. 
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