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John Davis
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 12:03 am |
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I may have an answer to the “Cor” problem where everybody wins and no one gets hurt, this is a serious suggestion and I have given it a lot of thought. I know it does`ent address the rights and wrongs of the situation, but I (like a lot of others I think?) am sitting right on the fence on this one! On the one hand I feel Emmons to be an Icon in the “Steel” industry and love both of mine to bits! On the other hand I feel for this fellow forumite who has “lost” his money!
What we could do to rectify this problem………
If every member that has concerns over this sends me ten bucks I would be prepared to collect it all together and account for it and forward it to Cor, if it turned out to be more than enough to re-imburse him I would suggest the balance goes to BoB in support of this wonderful forum.
Why me??
1. Because I can be trusted to do what I say I will do, ask some of the people that I have dealt with, Tommy Cass, Scotty,Ray Walker,Jerry Wallace. (Ask them!)
2. I have no vested interest in the Emmons Co and have never had any direct dealings with them (both mine are antiques) on the other hand I don`t know Cor either,only as a fellow “Forumite” in trouble!.
If this sounds like a reasonable idea to you, my address is…….
J.Davis,Lansbury Farm,Eynesbury Hardwicke, St.Neots,Cambridgeshire,UK.
I would love to see the power of this forum in action! My ten is already in the pot!  http://www.pedalsteelguitar.co.uk
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 2:36 am
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Before throwing more money at this, I'd first like to have some trusted member near the factory actually see the guitar and take some pictures.
What color did Cor order? |
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Ron !
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 4:43 am
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well ron please read this post for sure,
the guitar is never build !!!!!!!!!!!!
cor,jr
[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 22 September 2004 at 05:45 AM.] |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 5:05 am
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John,
I reread your post. Maybe I didn't understand it the first time.
Are you proposing we reimburse Cor for the $4500 he says he paid Emmons?
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Farris Currie
From:
Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 5:31 am
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hello to all,i would like to see the power of
the forum in action to:BUT not sending cors
money back:{no}got to be another way!!!!
I don't got no suggestions! but someone should know how to handle this!
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Ron !
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 5:35 am
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Joey
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| If every member that has concerns over this sends me ten bucks I would be prepared to collect it all together and account for it and forward it to Cor |
I do not think that Cor will except this gesture.
Ron |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 6:48 am
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that still ain't gonna get the $$$$ Cor shelled out back
i say we should write to Emmons Co.(in support of Cor) and ask them for an explanation to be posted here on the Fo'rum[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 22 September 2004 at 07:49 AM.] |
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John Davis
From:
Cambridge, U.K.
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 7:09 am
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“John,
I reread your post. Maybe I didn't understand it the first time.
Are you proposing we reimburse Cor for the $4500 he says he paid Emmons?”
Yes Joey you are right, that is what I am proposing, Not to get The Emmons Company off the hook ! I have no interest in that!! But to help a fellow forumite that has made a serious mistake? Surely that is something worthy of support? Let me ask you this, how long do you think it will be before another sucker sends full payment for a guitar? Answer- A bloody long time if they read this forum!!
My feelings are that the Emmons name should not be dragged thru mud, B.E. is god to me or at least as close as you can get and if my ten bucks makes this go away, then I will gladly pay!!
We can all stand by and wring our hands and do nothing,,, or we can show the manufacturer`s that steel players are united and will not stand by while one of our kind is being shafted!
As you can see I feel very strongly about this, and I think Companies that work this way will get their just rewards a little further down the line!!!!!!
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Farris Currie
From:
Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 7:11 am
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| SORRY CROWBAR!!OH NO, won't get no answer!!! |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 7:12 am
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There are organizations, such as the Sacred Steelers, who seek donation of instruments to provide to talented, needy youngsters.
I'd rather we directed the "power of the Forum" to them.
We could collect the money and send it to Emmons, as full payment in advance, for an instrument to be delivered to one of these kids.  |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 7:29 am
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I think something will happen quite soon.  The "wheels" have been set in motion, that's for sure.
Of course, whether or not everyone likes what's going to happen will be another story!
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Cor Muizer Jr
From:
The Netherlands/europe
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 7:44 am
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hi guy's,
you are so wonderful but i won't accept it from you because it isn't your fault and believe me or not
it wasn't in the first place to bring down the lasley's but if they won't pay me back
and then i found out with the great research from another forum member that the guitar is never build or even start with building, please understand me it makes me really mad
and what ron,jr said through these forum member on the phone that somebody else have exactly order the same guitar as i do before i get my money back is pretty redicilous or not? and that was a couple a month's ago and now they even won't answer the attorney general either so it sounds pretty strange to me and i was the guy who trusted these at emmons but no more now.
so guy's i like to thank you all for what you where had to plan but i won't accepted
emmons has got to pay me back and that's for sure and if they don't sooner or later there is no emmons anymore i can garantee you.
my best to yeah all
cor |
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Chris Schlotzhauer
From:
Colleyville, Tx. USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 8:14 am
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| I don't understand why an exact order has to be entered before they refund the money. Can someone explain the logic of that? Does that mean the person who enters this exact order will get stiffed? |
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John Davis
From:
Cambridge, U.K.
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 8:33 am
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"emmons has got to pay me back and that's for sure and if they don't sooner or later there is no emmons anymore i can garantee you."
Hello Cor,
Are you sure that is what you want? and does the demise of that Company help at all?
In my experiance when a companies gone down owing me money, any available assetts go to the Bank/Revenue preferential creditors, does not mean that you will get paid out???
I think my idea is better all round, if it works,and who does it hurt? in any case if people do send the $`s there is no way I could afford to send it all back to individuals, it would cost me a fortune!!
I am sorry you were involved in that accident, and allthough I am unaware of the nature of your dissability, to me, the loss of 4.1/2 big ones pales against the thought of not being able to play any more!!
So, If it comes to me, then it has to go to you my friend there is nowhere else I could send it.
Please excuse the spelling (I had a lousy education)JD |
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 8:42 am
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Hey you guy`s,as a good mate of John Davis i would like to say that this guy is one of the most easy going, good hearted and trusting man you could know,but i must agree that the Emmons company should pay Cor back not the forum members.BUT how about giving John some praise for what he has sugested it shows his kind heart and caring nature and that is what we should all try and pratice somtime.I know i will probably get it in the neck from some of you for saying that but lets give credid to somone that is trying to help a very unlucky member of the forum.
God bless ............Jimmy.
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Ryan McFarland
From:
Jersey City, New Jersey, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 8:46 am
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bottom line: they owe him the guitar or the money. I don't care what kind of history the company has.
someone needs to speak with some rationality on this matter. why has the company not responded? any other heavy hitter in the manufacturing world would have been all over this forum in seconds.
I am new to the steel world, but have seen similar situtations in the guitar market. The lack of the accused's presence on this matter worries me.
they need to be held responsible and come forth with a statement. I don't care if the comapany was endorsed by the president of the united states- SPEAK UP EMMONS! WHERE IS THE GUITAR OR THE MONEY? |
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Farris Currie
From:
Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 9:08 am
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HELLO RYAN!!!heres my buddy,tell him man!!
your pedal ought to be getting closer huh?
my pro 3 is on the way.it left ct.and went
thru N J.last night,now its somewhere!!!
I'm tracking it on fedex.sorry guys!!!
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Cor Muizer Jr
From:
The Netherlands/europe
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 9:19 am
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yes Ryan your absolutly right,
and yes jimmy lets give John davis a nice big hand for what he will do,but in the first place you great forumites are not responsible for what is happened.
i only will let you know what is happened to me so hopely it won't happen to you.
and don't forget the basic line, it started by i was ordering a guitar about 2 or 2½ years ago and at that time i was got that big big caraccident ( that wasn't my fault aswell).
so i ask the lashley's if they want lay my steel in stock till i got the money ( paying $500 in front to process my order)
also at that time i lose my job that's why i was asking that because i was invilved with lawyers against the insurance company
but they said no problem.
further finally i got it in december 2003 and i called them and said i sent it right to you by money gram so you can hold it up in the store that was in the same street as where they located.
the mother from Rebecca was hold it up there and after they received my money $4000,00 plus the $500,00 in front makes $4500,00 they told me over the phone your guitar is sold and you agree it to us,
but i wasn't do that( if i had that i was never sending the money)okay no problem i said as nicest i am, build me a new one and ron ,jr said okay i ask how long it will takes and he said regular time 3 or 4 month's so thats 12 till 18 weeks i said okay, that was in december 2003 when we spoke about it.
so march/april 2004 it must be ready.
then finally hearing nothing and also not forgotten to say i ask them a lot of times then and before sent me an estimate from my order but the never did.
then my healthy problems what i was gettin by the caraccident came back at the end of may 2004 and i must decided that i couldn't play under that sircumstances with muscle vibrations and reflexes at the most unwanted or expected times.and a brand new emmons laying under my bed is too expensive for me, so i call ron and told the problem and he said pretty bad for me but he must find another customer because he also stated the guitar was just finished(yeah right).
i said okay found one and after one or two month's i called them and i ask let me help find one so send me pics and that estimate.
and he told me he would but never did.
then i got contact with a emmons dealer and he said i will help you to sell your guitar and i ask him call ron,jr and ask for my guitar, well he did and he got the answer that the guitar was never build. and ron,jr said through him i have to get exactly the same order from another customer before cor can get his refund.
pretty rare or not???????
so after it i got totally mad and send them emails that they must pay me back,
and emmons normally didn't respond that much on emails but now they do and told me that i must stop with hatefull thinking or so and that they will never respond on my emails,
so i lay the case by the attorney general in north carolina and they send them a letter but they never respond on that either
and today for what i've heard the second letter through them was going out this morning.
so guy's i never will do business on this way or pay in front or even will trust people quik as i was on them
so read this carefull and slow and i hope it will never happen to you al there
greetings
cor,jr.[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 22 September 2004 at 10:22 AM.] [This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 22 September 2004 at 10:26 AM.] |
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Glenn Austin
From:
Montreal, Canada
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 9:47 am
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| Forgive my ignorance, but isn't there like a year and a half wait to get a new Emmons. I recall seeing an Emmons on Al Brisco's site that was 'on order' for over a year. Apparently a lot of companies like Zum, Fulawka have huge waiting lists, with a year long wait or more, where you've got one guy churning out guitars and hundreds of people wanting one. |
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Ron !
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 9:58 am
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Glenn
The normal waiting periode is about 7 to 9 months.Some company's are quicker some ain't.Anapeg has a 4years waiting periode for example
Ron
Nikaro SD10 4x6 |
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Farris Currie
From:
Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 10:09 am
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YES,LOTS OF TIME DONE WENT GONE!I PUT STUFF ON LAYWAY A BIG STORE ONE YR.DIDN'T HAVE NO MONEY TILL NEXT YEAR.WENT YONDER TO GIT STUFF
DA DIDN'T NO ME.MANY THINGS TO THINK BOUT,MABE DA KINDDA TOKE ME,WOULDN'T LETT ME GOT MY STUFF. I SHORE MAD,WEREN'T FUNNY ALL!
need somebodyy to get them to say they owed me. cannted gets nos boddy !!!shoremake me hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Cor Muizer Jr
From:
The Netherlands/europe
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 10:10 am
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well glenn,
maybe yes maybe no, because i don't no and i do hear that what you said often but what i said here is the information i got so if you or someone say that the time to wait is about a year or more i don't know.
but it isn't the point, the point is it is never build or even startin to build.
cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 22 September 2004 at 11:14 AM.] |
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Cor Muizer Jr
From:
The Netherlands/europe
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 10:11 am
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Farris i don't know what you mean???
cor |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 10:25 am
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It's been discussed on this forum before Cor, same kind of problems, I believe it will happen again.
Many people think Emmons is still a respected name. They see others (including me) playing these guitars. They don't think to do the research here.
There was a post recently about Push Pulls being made again. I think there was mention of placing orders. And so it goes...
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Cor Muizer Jr
From:
The Netherlands/europe
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Posted 22 Sep 2004 10:34 am
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your absolutly right joey,
but i read that post after i was involved with them so too late for me hopely not for al the others out here
cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 22 September 2004 at 11:34 AM.] |
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