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Topic: Question about whole step lower on 2nd string of E9 |
Jim Hinds
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Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 9 Dec 2015 10:19 pm |
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I have only been playing a little less than 2 years and find I use the 1/2 step lower (D#-D) on the 2nd string quite a bit but I have not come across much use for the whole step lower (D#-C#). I was wondering if this move is used much and for what?
Thanks,
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John Goux
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California, USA
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Posted 9 Dec 2015 11:48 pm
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When you do a whole step raise on string 5, you have the string 2 whole step lower as a bending unison. Lots of different uses if you like that sound.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Dec 2015 2:15 am
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Check out the third bar of the intro
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hiOsYDegw0U
And in here at about 2:0101 (when I used to play this song, I modified the lick to hold the unison until it went to the V, and let 2 rise to D as I let off the A pedal for a counterpoint move. I did it so long I thought it was on the record like that).
If you use the G#m chord, it's a handy scale move up or down, between the IV chord and V.
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 11 Dec 2015 5:46 am
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MP3 below...
it's used quite a bit, thats why it's there !  It may just be that "note" you are looking for in a phrase.
We read many times with regard to specific lever notes, such as the raise 7 , lower 6, raise 1, lower 9, lower 2 a half tone and lower 2 a full tone. Think of it this way, there are countless chords ,substitutions and modes on a 6 string guitar of which a majority of us know and use only a handful,me included.
A very well versed , experienced and schooled guitar player looks at the fret board differently than the common Fri/Sat night player, but you can tell them apart in a NY minute.
Now look at the Pedal Steel, these changes have been on board for decades now , they are not only used often but IMPORTANT. Unison notes are as important as single picked notes.
the exercise below, played in open A, 5th fret ,the first root phrase uses the natural 2nd string to the full tone drop. The 2nd phrase, tricky, uses the 2nd string from the HALF stop to the FULL tone lower, E chord ( 7th fret) with AB peds in, unison note on the 5th string . The resolve in the middle is using the 6 string lower as is the ending open chord at the zero fret, E to A with peds in.
hope this helps, it's early after a gig last night....
exercise
www.tprior.com/2ndstring.mp3
Point, don't get locked in a box...some cats way smarter than us put these changes on the Steel for very good reason!
I recall a guy giving my daughter guitar lessons once said diminished scales and phrases are useless. Quickly she said, well, thats not what Robben Ford said...and that shut him up.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Dec 2015 6:14 am
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That was right purty, Tony.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 11 Dec 2015 10:26 am
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Tony, I agree, nice playing.
That change is the least used change on my guitar. I could actually live with string 2 only going to D, But I don't want too. I do use it a bit.
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 11 Dec 2015 1:16 pm
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Richard, no you can't live with the 2nd string going to only D ! 
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Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders , Eastman Mandolin ,
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jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website |
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Jim Hinds
From:
Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2015 4:23 pm
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| Thanks for the responses. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 12 Dec 2015 2:23 am
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I wrote the tab for those who are interested. My thoughts are to attempt to play it, locate it, without tab . Although I am a full supporter or tab , I do believe that when you learn something without tab it goes to a different part of the brain because as you seek the right notes, other notes happen which may spark a sense of creation.
If you spend all your time looking at the road map you miss the beautiful scenery along the way !
anyway..
enjoy, it's an exercise which really forces you to get the feel of the 2nd string 1/2 and full tone stop.
www.tprior.com/2ndstring.mp3
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Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders , Eastman Mandolin ,
Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 13 Dec 2015 1:28 pm
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When I listened to the intro of Lane's post I thought "yeah, I can hear the second string lowers" but when I sat down to try it I began to wonder if in fact it's more like this:-
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 13 Dec 2015 5:06 pm
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One of the Mickey Adams videos shows the "Emmons Cross" but I don't recall which one.
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Jim Hinds
From:
Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 13 Dec 2015 10:48 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| One of the Mickey Adams videos shows the "Emmons Cross" but I don't recall which one. |
What is the Emmons Cross Lane? |
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Jim Hinds
From:
Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 13 Dec 2015 10:50 pm
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Good stuff. Thanks |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 14 Dec 2015 3:06 am Now I get it!
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Revelation! First time I listened to An Eye For An Eye I thought I heard the ½ stop being used, which is why I couldn't figure it out. Now, unless someone corrects me, I believe the 3rd bar is
and not what I posted above. Still, it goes to show there is often more than one way.
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Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Dec 2015 4:19 am
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Bingo. That's what's on the Mickeyvid.
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 14 Dec 2015 6:07 am
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The move was kinda "trademarked" on Ray Price's "Way To Survive", but you can also hear the unison bending in and out real well on this Ray Price Song...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5c8hivHs7Y |
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John Goux
From:
California, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2015 1:33 pm
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On the Ray Price song linked, "You Just Don't Love Me Anymore", who is the steeler? It appears to be from the 1992 album Time. Allmusic has no info.
Great steel performance, as usual with Ray.
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Steve Leal
From:
Orange CA, USA
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Posted 21 Dec 2015 5:34 pm
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John,
I believe this was Buddy Emmons playing on You Just Don't Love Me Anymore. I love this album and remember reading in the notes that Buddy was on this album. The song "Time" is pretty haunting as well. Love the lyrics!
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Jim Park
From:
Carson City, Nv
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Posted 21 Dec 2015 10:42 pm
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| I believe the "Emmons Cross" refers to the intro on Touch my Heart by Ray Price 1966 http://youtu.be/pM11nQZHacU |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 22 Dec 2015 3:33 am Re: Now I get it!
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
Revelation! First time I listened to An Eye For An Eye I thought I heard the ½ stop being used, which is why I couldn't figure it out. Now, unless someone corrects me, I believe the 3rd bar is
and not what I posted above. Still, it goes to show there is often more than one way. |
Oops. The 4th fret lacks the A pedal.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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