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Cody Angel
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Posted 28 Oct 2015 10:21 pm |
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I am having my Super Pro rebuilt and wonder what the absolutely essentially C6 levers are for you guys. If I only had two levers, what would you have? Also how would you prioritize the changes for up to 5 levers hooked up on C6? Assuming the 4 standard pedals ("5" thru "8"). Thanks! FYI, I am very much a beginner on the C6 tuning, and my favorite (back neck) player is Papa John, if those pieces of information change anything about your responses.
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Steve Hitsman
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Waterloo, IL
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Posted 29 Oct 2015 2:37 am
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Lowering the third string a half step is essential. For the second lever, I'm torn between raising that string a half or raising four and eight a half.
After that, I couldn't get along without "reverse six" which is the opposite of pedal six, i.e. lower two and raise six.
I've got string six lowered a whole step on a vertical but I don't use it much. |
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Quentin Hickey
From:
Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 29 Oct 2015 2:49 am
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I like having all of those changes too. They give you many chromatics change options as well as chord options.
I have the 3rd string raise half tone and lower half tone on my RKR. I have an aditional lkl on my C neck which raises string 4 a half tone and string 1 a half tone. I havent found anything for my like with the string 1 so I am going to switch it to raising string 8 a half tone. |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 29 Oct 2015 4:19 am
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1) 3rd string C > B
2) 4th string A > Bb
3) 3rd string C > C#
4) 1st string D > D#
5) 6th string E > F
6) 4th sting A > Ab
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Cody Angel
From:
Nashville, Tn
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Posted 29 Oct 2015 4:33 am
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Great answer! Please keep them coming! Also, string 1, D or G and why?
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 Oct 2015 5:07 am
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If you're up for a major job (even Bruce Z would rip out everything and start from scratch, it's easier), I'd put P5 on a knee. Since I can't know how to do charts in android, I've drawn up my copedent in pen and ink.
P5 on a knee prevents the usual double-footing of 5 and 7 or jumping from 5 to 8.
The RKL was suggested by Mike Auldridge, and its asymmetry is useful. I've never once wished that either had the throw of the other.
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Christopher Woitach
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 29 Oct 2015 8:01 am
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A lot of older style C6 uses the G, but the D makes for much easier single note playing. My Bb6 S12 has both, which is the best of both worlds
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 Oct 2015 10:42 am
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I forgot to mention: if you can combine P5 and raising 3 and 7, you have the top 9 strings of the C6th with G on top at the third fret from 2 -10.
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Cody Angel
From:
Nashville, Tn
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Posted 30 Oct 2015 2:26 pm
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Do you use your "P5" with lowering the A's?
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Cody Angel
From:
Nashville, Tn
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Posted 30 Oct 2015 2:28 pm
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Do you use your "P5" with lowering the A's?
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 Oct 2015 2:34 pm
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The customary P5 that I have on a knee? Not often.
If you mean P6 (I still call my pedals by their standard names, so I can actually talk with steelers. I call LKR "P5, and I call my P5 "P6" because that's its job), often, like when the IV chord becomes a iv chord.
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Cody Angel
From:
Nashville, Tn
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Posted 30 Oct 2015 2:47 pm
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That's what I meant. Trying to decide where I should lower the A's and whether they need to be away from the knee that does P5
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Christopher Woitach
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 30 Oct 2015 5:45 pm
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For what it's worth- P5 w lowered A's is a useful voicing, especially if you're using it as a tritone sub for a V chord, 1 fret below the I chord (ex, 4th fret, P5 with A's lowered, resolve up 1 fret to F)
May not matter enough to you to worry about - I use it a lot
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 Oct 2015 5:50 pm
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Must try that.
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Cody Angel
From:
Nashville, Tn
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Posted 3 Nov 2015 9:22 am
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Thanks for all your help guys! I am seriously considering putting P5 on a lever per Lane's suggestion. Now, regarding, the rest of the changes, I can use "P5" with any other standard pedal without taking my foot off the volume. I would like to have lowering and raising the C on my right knee. Beyond that, (moving the A strings mostly being my focus for this question) what changes need to be available with "P5"? Or, should I say, which should not be on the same leg?
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 3 Nov 2015 10:09 am
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Without wishing to rock the boat, putting P6 on a lever is an alternative to P5, and likely to be a touch lighter. It achieves the same object of avoiding some double-footing.
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Cody Angel
From:
Nashville, Tn
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Posted 3 Nov 2015 10:27 am
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Not at all! That's what I'm looking for! Are there more non adjacent combos often used with P5 or 6?
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 Nov 2015 12:20 pm
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Ian, while that puts 5 and 7 together, the bounce from 5 to 8 is still not all that convenient
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 3 Nov 2015 2:20 pm
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True. The fact is that it's mathematically impossible to have everything next to everything else and at some point you're going to need both feet.
On my D10 I have P8 in position 4, which is a recognised minority option. On the uni, because I play Day, it's more valuable to have A & 5 together so 8 is at the right, with string 9 raise on the verticle for when I don't need all the pulls.
To answer the OP, I would suggest that there is plenty to learn with the "standard" four or five pedals and two levers to raise and lower string 3, before you absolutely must have anything else.
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Cody Angel
From:
Nashville, Tn
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Posted 3 Nov 2015 3:50 pm
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Great point, Ian! I am nitpicking without any experience and have a looooong way to go. I just want to come up with the best setup to learn on without tripping over anything.
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 3 Nov 2015 7:55 pm
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Totally agree with Ian. If you play long enough and play different music long enough you'll find that there's not any setup that is totally bulletproof. Time's a-comin' when you'll have to double foot something.
My first D10 had the norm pedal 8 in the 4 position and it works really well over there. You'll find that a lot times the transition from 4 to 5 is a natural progression. I also put the norm pedal 4, but raising string 4 only, on a dedicated LKL A to B with a half stop for those wonderful maj7 things that I like to do, but they may not suit what you want to do. http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix1504/1976_100_0175_1.jpg Actually, I could probably do without my pedal 8 altogether. I use it mostly for straight major chords in the bottom register.
It depends on the stuff you play and how you play it.
I don't think you'll really know until you're at it for awhile. Changes on most guitars are relatively simply so you can experiment with them as you go along to find what works the best for your style of playing. Happy pickin,!
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 3 Nov 2015 8:36 pm
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I am fully committed to double footing on D10 C6 and don't use the volume pedal for anything except for setting my general level.
On my customized Uni 12 coped... single footed coped design |
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Carl Mesrobian
From:
Salem, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2015 5:01 pm Setting Up Emmons PP
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This is what I have now. I'm just getting into C6
My main question is - Will this work with specific instruction books that are available?
I saw Buck Reid last Sunday - his tuning is pretty comprehensive!! Does anyone use Buddy Emmons copedent? I'd have to add a couple things to what's on my guitar now.
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 12 Nov 2015 5:20 pm
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I use Buddy's copedent.
Pedals all standard.
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LKL s.4 A-Bb
s.8 A-Bb
LKR s.4 A-Ab
S.8 A-Ab
RKL s.3 C-B
RKR s.2 C-C# |
Buddy reverses my LK levers, but the changes are all the same.
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Carl Mesrobian
From:
Salem, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2015 5:24 pm
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I'm leaning towards Buddy's copedent - certainly worked for him 
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