Vertical knee lever that raises F# string up a 1/2 step?

Dave Stroud · From: Texas

I can't figure out what this is good for. Although I know it's good for something (the man I bought this rains from showed me why he had it that way). My old vertical lever raised the B strings up a full step, and I understood that setup.

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

With pedals A+B down, the F# makes a 6th chord. Raising F# to G makes it a 7th chord. That's the most common usage. There are many others, of course.
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Dave Stroud · From: Texas

Oh, goodness.... how did I miss that 7th chord?? Sometimes I think I just overcomplicate things when I sit down at my steel Embarassed

thanks B0b!

Tim Russell · From: Pennsylvania, USA

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Also good for single string licks creating movement between the 6th and flatted 7th tones. I use it more for this than the 7th in the chord.
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Ian Rae · From: Redditch, England

Am I right in thinking that this change is more commonly placed on the same lever that lowers 6?
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Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Indeed, Ian.
And when I ordered my Zum, I had it on LKV, with RKL lowering the Bs.
Some 16 years later, I swapped the twoÂ¹ and never looked back.

Â¹ Silly me. I should have done it AFTER a gig and practiced some. Instead I did it an hour before the gig.
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Tom Gorr · From: Three Hills, Alberta

If this change is for string 1 only imo it is very easy to intonate a behind the bar pull for a half step. .. which means that lever is more useful doing something else.

Dave Stroud · From: Texas

Lane, I'm thinking about changing that LKV back to how it was on my Zum, lowering the B strings down a half step. What do the rest of y'all prefer to do with your LKV? (and "why?", might I add)

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Tom Campbell · From: Houston, Texas, USA

You already have your left foot applying pressure to the floor when engaging the AB pedals...so all you have to do is raise your knee to get the dom7 chord, which is a great "resolve" chord.
Using the vertical by itself is a "slow-mover" change, because one usually has to position their foot on the floor to engage the lever.

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Bob Carlucci · From: Candor, New York, USA

You can of course take that 1st string up a half tone, but IMHO its way better to take it up a full tone.. With just a bit of getting used to, you will be able to balance that lever with your knee on the half tone raise, and still have the full tone raise when you want it.. If you really cannot learn to balance on the half tone, simply raise it a full tone with a half step feel stop.. It will give you a lot more options than a simple 1/2 tone raise.. I use the full tone raise more than the half tone on my 1st string F#.... bob
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Dave Stroud · From: Texas

I'd like to lean on someone else's understanding if that's alright. I know copedents are a matter of personal choice and are rather subjective. But I do still need to learn my first copedent. I play country, if that helps. I just realized that my LKV currently raises the 7th string a full step (with a feel stop at half step), and it also raises the 1st string a half step. My RKL raises the 1st string a half and lowers the 6th string a full step. I don't have anything lowering the B strings. I'm not sure if this is the right question to ask, but if you were learning steel and playing country, what would you choose to do with your RKL and LKV? If that's not the right question, then what question should I be asking? Laughing

Tom Gorr · From: Three Hills, Alberta

If you are fairly new to steel. ..my recommendation is to keep a string 1 and 7 raise at least somewhere on the guitar. .. experiment with half tone and fulltone raises of those strings.

My belief is that at a beginner level that change is more intuitive than a 5 and 10 half step lower. . Which in many cases is used with the A pedal for a net half step raise. .. more difficult than learning to half pedal the A pedal. ..imo...

There are so many options for lever uses that you will eventuallys want to try what you have. .. no better time than now.

I would also suggest that if the C pedal is generally unused in your playing. .. that many put a s4 e to f sharp on one of the knees most often the vertical. .. and then it gets used all the time because it is dramatically more useable in all forms of playing.

Allan Jirik · From: Wichita Falls TX

Seems like the right time to ask this: I'm getting used to LKV which lowers the B's. Works great but when I depress the A pedal then press LKV it hardly lowers. I have an older MSA, is such a pedal/lever combination beyond it's capacity? Or do I need to look under the hood for a mechanical solution? Thanks. Not that it's a big deal, I like half-pedaling the A but when things don't work as they should it bothers me.

John Billings · From: Ohio, USA

Screw it. It won't load the cope. Something about this site compressed blank spaces! Drives me krazy!

Nickle E9th Â P 1 P 2 P 3 LKL1 LKL2 LKV LKR RKL RKR
.013p F#-------------------- Â G/G#
.015p D# E D
.012p G# A
.014p E F# F Eb
.018p B C# C# Bb/A
.022p G# A F#
.026w F# G/G#
.030w E F Eb
.034w D C#
.038w B C# Bb/A

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b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

John Billings · From: Ohio, USA

Thanks b0b. Will give it a shot. My Macs just don't seem to wanna work with you!
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Markus Mayerhofer · From: Vienna, Austria

With the f#-g raiser and the e-eb lower both engaged you can make an augmented chord on all B, E and F# strings.

Paul Hoaglin · Posted 19 Sep 2015 2:07 am

For what it's worth (and from me it ain't much), before I switched to two RKLs, I had the 6th string whole tone lower and the 1st string semitone raise together on the one RKL, and it worked well for me for a good while. But I've become a zealot for the conversion to raising 1 and/or 7 a semitone on the vertical, so I really prefer them separate now - so many good combinations available. But each to their own, of course....

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Quentin Hickey · From: Nova Scotia, Canada

Allan. On modern guitars when you raise the pitch of a string with a lever and than lower it partially there is a third pull rodd at work here called a tunable split. I have the same setup as you with my Classic. I have never tried to find a fix for this because its not as impotant to me but other guys may have a way around it for the older guitars such as MSA.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Allan, try watching the scissors closely. You might need to spray some Triflow in there on the pivot rivet,
If the lever pulls B down to A#, but isn't pulling C# down to around C, $3.00 bet says that the raise scissor is moving along with the lowering scissor.
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Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

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