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Jim Lindsey (Louisiana)
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Greenwell Springs, Louisiana (deceased)
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 6:21 am |
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Years ago, Gary Carpenter made a modification in Gary Hogue's old '76 Emmons push/pull ...
A lot of people have asked exactly what that modification is and what it was for ... and how it is tuned. I used to know that answer fully, but for the life of me, I can't remember it now (must be the price of turning 60 years old; can't remember as well as I used to).
Does anyone have Gary Carpenter's number? I'd love to contact him and have him refresh my memory on that modification. 
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1986 Mullen D-10 with 8 & 7 (Dual Bill Lawrence 705 pickups each neck)
Two Peavey Nashville 400 Amps (with a Session 500 in reserve) - Yamaha SPX-90 II
Peavey ProFex II - Yamaha R-1000 Digital Reverb - Ross Time Machine Digital Delay - BBE Sonic Maximizer 422A
ProCo RAT R2DU Dual Distortion - Korg DT-1 Pro Tuner (Rack Mounted) - Furman PL-8 Power Bay
Goodrich Match-Bro by Buddy Emmons - BJS Steel Bar (Dunlop Finger Picks / Golden Gate Thumb Picks) |
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Dick Wood
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Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 6:32 am
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Call Steve Lamb at Lamb music. He seems to have everyone's number. His number is 817-244-8600
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Jim Lindsey (Louisiana)
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Greenwell Springs, Louisiana (deceased)
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 6:34 am
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Thanks, Dick. Ah, cops aren't paid much, so you steel at night? LOL I like that.
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1986 Mullen D-10 with 8 & 7 (Dual Bill Lawrence 705 pickups each neck)
Two Peavey Nashville 400 Amps (with a Session 500 in reserve) - Yamaha SPX-90 II
Peavey ProFex II - Yamaha R-1000 Digital Reverb - Ross Time Machine Digital Delay - BBE Sonic Maximizer 422A
ProCo RAT R2DU Dual Distortion - Korg DT-1 Pro Tuner (Rack Mounted) - Furman PL-8 Power Bay
Goodrich Match-Bro by Buddy Emmons - BJS Steel Bar (Dunlop Finger Picks / Golden Gate Thumb Picks) |
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Dick Wood
From:
Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 6:40 am
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And steeling at night hasn't been too profitable lately either.
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Cops aren't paid much so I steel at night. |
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Jim Lindsey (Louisiana)
From:
Greenwell Springs, Louisiana (deceased)
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 6:47 am
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Oh, my! Well, maybe not as profitable lately, but I bet it's a blast!
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1986 Mullen D-10 with 8 & 7 (Dual Bill Lawrence 705 pickups each neck)
Two Peavey Nashville 400 Amps (with a Session 500 in reserve) - Yamaha SPX-90 II
Peavey ProFex II - Yamaha R-1000 Digital Reverb - Ross Time Machine Digital Delay - BBE Sonic Maximizer 422A
ProCo RAT R2DU Dual Distortion - Korg DT-1 Pro Tuner (Rack Mounted) - Furman PL-8 Power Bay
Goodrich Match-Bro by Buddy Emmons - BJS Steel Bar (Dunlop Finger Picks / Golden Gate Thumb Picks) |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 7:27 am
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It looks like he might have converted it to an all pull. Sacrilege!!  |
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Jim Lindsey (Louisiana)
From:
Greenwell Springs, Louisiana (deceased)
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 8:07 am
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Okay, I just got off the phone with Carp, and he gave me the full low-down on it.
The lowers are still totally push/pull, but using the same mechanics (but adding some more bell cranks, rods and the nylon tuners), the raises became double raise all-pull. Examining the string fingers, it appears that a second row of holes for raises were drilled into each string finger. The cutout in the end plate was necessary for the modification.
So, there it is. I played that guitar for years and remember having to tune it that way, but couldn't remember exactly what the mod was all about. You might say it's half push/pull and half all-pull.
One thing that Gary Hogue and I both noticed before and after the mod was done was in the playability of the guitar. It played good before the mod, but played like a dream after the mod. Have always loved the feel of that guitar. 
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1986 Mullen D-10 with 8 & 7 (Dual Bill Lawrence 705 pickups each neck)
Two Peavey Nashville 400 Amps (with a Session 500 in reserve) - Yamaha SPX-90 II
Peavey ProFex II - Yamaha R-1000 Digital Reverb - Ross Time Machine Digital Delay - BBE Sonic Maximizer 422A
ProCo RAT R2DU Dual Distortion - Korg DT-1 Pro Tuner (Rack Mounted) - Furman PL-8 Power Bay
Goodrich Match-Bro by Buddy Emmons - BJS Steel Bar (Dunlop Finger Picks / Golden Gate Thumb Picks) |
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Steve Dodson
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Sparta, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 10:55 am P/P Guitar
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Hi Jim,
Any pic's of the bottom.
Thanks,
Steve |
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Jim Lindsey (Louisiana)
From:
Greenwell Springs, Louisiana (deceased)
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 12:03 pm
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Soon as I can get my nephew to turn the guitar over for me, or get underneath it, we'll take some and I'll put 'em on here, Steve.
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1986 Mullen D-10 with 8 & 7 (Dual Bill Lawrence 705 pickups each neck)
Two Peavey Nashville 400 Amps (with a Session 500 in reserve) - Yamaha SPX-90 II
Peavey ProFex II - Yamaha R-1000 Digital Reverb - Ross Time Machine Digital Delay - BBE Sonic Maximizer 422A
ProCo RAT R2DU Dual Distortion - Korg DT-1 Pro Tuner (Rack Mounted) - Furman PL-8 Power Bay
Goodrich Match-Bro by Buddy Emmons - BJS Steel Bar (Dunlop Finger Picks / Golden Gate Thumb Picks) |
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Steve Dodson
From:
Sparta, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 12:58 pm P/p
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Thanks Jim,
That looks interesting.
Regards,
Steve |
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Jim Lindsey (Louisiana)
From:
Greenwell Springs, Louisiana (deceased)
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Posted 3 Sep 2015 6:53 pm
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Steve ... the old girl really needs a cleanup underneath ... I got a quick shot up under the changer. Haven't been able to turn the guitar over yet.
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1986 Mullen D-10 with 8 & 7 (Dual Bill Lawrence 705 pickups each neck)
Two Peavey Nashville 400 Amps (with a Session 500 in reserve) - Yamaha SPX-90 II
Peavey ProFex II - Yamaha R-1000 Digital Reverb - Ross Time Machine Digital Delay - BBE Sonic Maximizer 422A
ProCo RAT R2DU Dual Distortion - Korg DT-1 Pro Tuner (Rack Mounted) - Furman PL-8 Power Bay
Goodrich Match-Bro by Buddy Emmons - BJS Steel Bar (Dunlop Finger Picks / Golden Gate Thumb Picks) |
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Steve Dodson
From:
Sparta, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2015 2:28 am P/P Guitar
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Jim thanks so much, it just hit me. I remember reading somewhere on the forum where you had hurt your back or injured yourself somehow. Your a true gentleman. I really feel bad asking you for pic's of the bottom of the guitar. Hope you get well soon.
Regards,
Steve |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2015 6:56 am
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Exactly what was that conversion sposed to accomplish?
In my estimation all it did was screw up the p/p tone. On the pulls, you eliminated the metal to metal contact that contributes to the tone of the p/p. |
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Jim Lindsey (Louisiana)
From:
Greenwell Springs, Louisiana (deceased)
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Posted 4 Sep 2015 10:41 am
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Well, Erv, actually I've no idea why the mod was done or the purpose behind it ... Gary Hogue had that done pretty soon after he bought the guitar. As far as the tone? The modification didn't seem to affect any of its push/pull tone at all ... here's some examples of it ... always continued to sound pretty push/pull across the board to me, despite the mod.
Gary Hogue (on this modded black Emmons) and Junior Knight (on a Sho-Bud if I remember right).
https://soundcloud.com/excalibur-steel/you-are-so-beautiful
https://soundcloud.com/excalibur-steel/scrapple-from-the-apple
https://soundcloud.com/excalibur-steel/girl-from-ipanema
Those were studio cuts. Here's a quick example of Gary on that guitar at a live gig simply recorded on a cassette ...
https://soundcloud.com/excalibur-steel/crazy-steel-played-by-gary
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1986 Mullen D-10 with 8 & 7 (Dual Bill Lawrence 705 pickups each neck)
Two Peavey Nashville 400 Amps (with a Session 500 in reserve) - Yamaha SPX-90 II
Peavey ProFex II - Yamaha R-1000 Digital Reverb - Ross Time Machine Digital Delay - BBE Sonic Maximizer 422A
ProCo RAT R2DU Dual Distortion - Korg DT-1 Pro Tuner (Rack Mounted) - Furman PL-8 Power Bay
Goodrich Match-Bro by Buddy Emmons - BJS Steel Bar (Dunlop Finger Picks / Golden Gate Thumb Picks) |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2015 10:47 am
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One of the key ingredients to the p/p pull sound are the solid stops that are incorporated in the changer. You can tune all the pulls and pushs at the changer before you hook up any of the rods. It appears that with the mod, that is no longer possible. If it ain't broke, why fix it?  |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 4 Sep 2015 11:24 am
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| the mothers of invention! |
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Jim Lindsey (Louisiana)
From:
Greenwell Springs, Louisiana (deceased)
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Posted 4 Sep 2015 11:24 am
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Well, I've no idea why they did that mod, but that guitar always has (and still does) sound fantastic. And, it plays wonderfully. It was one of Gary's two favorite guitars ever, and one of my two favorites as well. An absolutely wonderful axe. I love it.
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1986 Mullen D-10 with 8 & 7 (Dual Bill Lawrence 705 pickups each neck)
Two Peavey Nashville 400 Amps (with a Session 500 in reserve) - Yamaha SPX-90 II
Peavey ProFex II - Yamaha R-1000 Digital Reverb - Ross Time Machine Digital Delay - BBE Sonic Maximizer 422A
ProCo RAT R2DU Dual Distortion - Korg DT-1 Pro Tuner (Rack Mounted) - Furman PL-8 Power Bay
Goodrich Match-Bro by Buddy Emmons - BJS Steel Bar (Dunlop Finger Picks / Golden Gate Thumb Picks) |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 4 Sep 2015 11:49 am
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it's an anti-zum reverse hybrid!
one of a kind. even rarer than a zum hybrid.
it may get the 'rube goldberg honorable mention'
award on the family tree of pedal steel. |
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Jim Lindsey (Louisiana)
From:
Greenwell Springs, Louisiana (deceased)
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Posted 4 Sep 2015 12:08 pm
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LOL 
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1986 Mullen D-10 with 8 & 7 (Dual Bill Lawrence 705 pickups each neck)
Two Peavey Nashville 400 Amps (with a Session 500 in reserve) - Yamaha SPX-90 II
Peavey ProFex II - Yamaha R-1000 Digital Reverb - Ross Time Machine Digital Delay - BBE Sonic Maximizer 422A
ProCo RAT R2DU Dual Distortion - Korg DT-1 Pro Tuner (Rack Mounted) - Furman PL-8 Power Bay
Goodrich Match-Bro by Buddy Emmons - BJS Steel Bar (Dunlop Finger Picks / Golden Gate Thumb Picks) |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 4 Sep 2015 12:08 pm
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I'm with Erv on this one, though Carp is a good pal and so was Gary. With half-tone swivels on the bellcranks, two raises per string are de rigeur on the PP.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2015 12:10 pm
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Chris,
You are exactly right about a reverse Zum Hybrid.
On the Zum, the raises are tuned like a p/p and the lowers are like an all pull. |
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W. Van Horn
From:
Houston, texas
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Posted 5 Sep 2015 6:49 am
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| While I also don't see the utility in the mod, except maybe to time pulls more easily(?), I do know that Carp is brilliant. I'm sure the work was done very well. Gary doesn't mess around. |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2015 7:35 am
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The Edsel was a nice car too.  |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 5 Sep 2015 9:35 am
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