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Mike Wilkerson
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Luther Oklahoma
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Posted 26 Aug 2015 6:23 pm |
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Can any of you kind folks be kind enough to share some bare boned very beginner C6th licks.I have always owned D-10s and at best can noodle and fumble my way around it but I really want to dig in and learn this beautiful tuning. I have a friend who is going to start Skyping with me next month but until then would like to have some material to practice.Thank you in advance.P.S. My top string is G not D.Slim
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Ned McIntosh
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Posted 26 Aug 2015 7:43 pm
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There are two ways of looking at this neck for the absolute beginner:-
Either you see it as two C6th tunings (strings 8 to 1 respectively, ACEG and repeat), or as two C major triads with a 6th note between them (strings 7 to 1, CEGACEG).
Either way, you can play these sets of strings completely without using any pedals at all and get a great, fat, swing sound from the neck. It's like a big Dobro tuned to two C6ths. This allows you to get the older non-pedal sounds which go really well with Western Swing.
Grab pretty much any grip you like and the "fat" C6th sound is there. Use four finger-picks if you wish, or strum a couple of adjacent bass-strings with the thumbpick whilst you pick the higher strings with your fingers. Be prepared to move about the neck a lot more with the bar. Get comfortable using no pedals first, then you'll see why the pedals do what they do for minors, 7ths, diminished chords etc.
You can even strum across the strings for a really fat sound with those thicker bass-strings - it's totally different to E9th in tone and timbre.
That's a good way to get started. The non-pedal sound is distinctive and goes so well with stuff from the 30s right through to the rarly 60s - and beyond. Listen to the Hank Williams and early Patsy Cline stuff - that's the old-style sound you can produce.
Another bonus is it's a break from playing E9th and thinking licks, pedal and lever moves etc. The approach is different to E9th because with C6th you press the pedals for the chords before you play them, rather than pedalling the chord into place as you play it. A subtle difference, but an important one. It's part of the distinctive C6th sound.
FWIW, I still have the high G as well.
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Douglas Schuch
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Valencia, Philippines
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 3:46 am
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Mike, I've been meaning to re-post the links to Trap Truly's C6 chord charts. Your post got me off my tush and led to this post:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=2424652#2424652
You will find the links to his charts and instructions there.
Not exactly what you were asking for, but you may find it useful.
Doug
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Ben Edmonds
From:
Greenfield, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 3:47 am
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I'd go to buddy emmons.com and go to the tabs and under C6 check out blues to use. It's got the audio and the tab and it's a blues, more of a jazz blues but nothing earth shattering there just normal substitutions. Anyway there's plenty there and if you know a little about music then the stuff is totally applicable to many situations.
Also learn an easy tune like steel guitar rag or something. |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 4:30 am
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There's a few hundred C6 tabs on my web site. After learning a few of them, C6 will sink in, and you won't need any tabs to play it! The last song doesn't use the first string at all so no worry about the D on top. The key parts of the other tabs, you can just ignore the D string part.
Simple riff using very common pedals and grips:
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab16.wma
No pedals! I've heard many pros use this ending at steel shows:
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab2.wma
The first complete C6 song I learned. It uses most of the common grips and pedals to play a familiar melody. Just learn it blindly by rote at first. After a few months these grips and changes will become second nature and you will understand much of the mystery of this tuning. The C6 part starts at 2:30.
No One Will Ever Know
Tab in pdf format |
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Mike Wilkerson
From:
Luther Oklahoma
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 5:39 am
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Greg where the tab is showing 4 strings at the same time do you pick those 4 together or strum?
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 6:24 am
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I can't speak for Greg, but I use two fingers for the high strings, and "pinch" the other two with the thumb.
There are times when the "staggered" sound of a strum works better, but usually pick 2 and pinch.
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 7:16 am
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I do what Lane does. I can't tell the difference between that technique and using a thumb pick and three finger picks. Using just the sweep of the thumb pick seems to be a bit harder to select just exactly those 4 strings but certainly creates a different sound.
Striking the strings in the tab and THEN activating the pedals indicated for those strings also makes the sound more complex, textured and interesting. Often I'll sequence the notes indicated as a triad just to vary the sound of it a bit as opposed to pick all 3 notes at exactly the same time. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 28 Aug 2015 1:34 pm
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| Ned McIntosh's essay is excellent - when he wrote: |
| The approach is different to E9th because with C6th you press the pedals for the chords before you play them, rather than pedalling the chord into place as you play it. A subtle difference, but an important one, |
...I would add that in the E9 tuning, the pedals fill in the gaps in the scale, whereas on the C6 they take you out of it. Sometimes the root of the chord is absent - for instance we lower string 6 to get what looks like Cm6 but use it as F9. In Greg’s No One Will Ever Know tab there’s a G7aug where if you use only the basic 8,5,3 grip you are playing just the 7th, the #5 and the #9 – no root or 3rd – but it sounds like G7!
It’s a great tab (thanks, Greg) for throwing around some basic grips and pedal combinations. I soon got sidetracked from the song into doing my own thing with them. Also the Ending With Three Variations shows the mathematical power of this tuning - without pedals.
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Douglas Bone
From:
Fort Worth,Tx. USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2015 4:21 am C6th
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Thanks Doug. Need all help can get!
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2015 6:43 am
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| ...and get Buddy's Basic C6th course (not just because I sell it) |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 29 Aug 2015 6:59 am
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It is good and I don't sell it. (I bought it from Jim)
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2015 7:33 am
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| I found Herby Wallace's C6th courses to be very helpful. He uses a G on the 1st string. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 29 Aug 2015 7:52 am
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greg, all your tabs are very helpful.
how long will they be available? |
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