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Bo Borland
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 11:52 am |
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Are these geared faster then a normal electric screw driver?
I find my trusty old hand operated crank is faster than my screw drivers
Last edited by Bo Borland on 27 Aug 2015 7:50 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Mark Eaton
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 12:00 pm
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I don't own an electric screwdriver so I can't answer that question, but I do have one of these Ernie Ball units, and it is geared on the slow side so that one would have to really screw up to overwind too quickly and break strings.
I really like mine, i think I paid about 20 bucks 2 1/2 to 3 years ago. Well worth it.
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 12:12 pm
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I can't answer either re: speed, relative to other electric tools.
I use an attachment with a B&D screwdriver. It's got two speeds (screw/drill) and while I have no concern about overshooting with the high speed, I do worry about friction & heat if I spin the tuner too fast. It is an entirely made up concern--I have never heard of this being an issue--but it still concerns me. |
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Lane Gray
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 12:50 pm
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I once had a cheap QVC electric screwdriver with a torque clutch. I set it to just a hair flat of in tune. It wasn't any faster but it required little attention.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 1:11 pm
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I have an insert for my Black & Decker drill/screw gun. Works great, but you can't really take it with you very easily.
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 1:31 pm
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And really, taking it with you is the idea - for 20 bucks you can have a handy little power tool that does a good job. Mine resides in my accessory box.
There is a more expensive model with a rechargeable battery pack, but I don't think that one existed at the time I bought my Stringwinder.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 2:44 pm
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I don't break strings when I am playing. If I do, it's no big deal to use a hand winder. Changing full sets is where I use the power.
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Bo Borland
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 7:48 pm
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I don't want one to carry just for full set changes
I have a crank that has a removable end but the B&D drivers are too slow.
I saw a video from Taylor that used a modified driver they changed a gear |
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Mark Eaton
From:
Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 27 Aug 2015 9:27 pm
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| Bo Borland wrote: |
I saw a video from Taylor that used a modified driver they changed a gear |
Without a link to click on or having to do detective work to figure out what video to which you are referring, I don't know what you're talking about.
Don't think too hard about it.
A lot of pro guitar techs with touring bands use this thing.
The version I have of the Ernie Ball string winder is about 20 bucks, it takes AAA batteries and I think I have yet to replace them over 2 1/2 years. I use it for steel, and standard guitar, acoustic and electric.
It's a minor expenditure over the long haul and I have gotten considerably than my money's worth out of it already.
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Peter den Hartogh
From:
Cape Town, South Africa
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Posted 28 Aug 2015 12:24 am
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My EB string winder battery door does not close properly, so the batteries fall out all the time. 
Sticky tape does not hold it properly. 
Crawling over the floor finding the batteries consumes more time than using the hand winder. 
In addition, with the hand winder you can get the windings on the shaft much neater.  |
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Jim Pitman
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Waterbury Ctr. VT 05677 USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2015 1:53 am
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I've never been a fan of electric string winders. Mainly the rechargable battery technology always let me down. Perhaps now with Lithium it's much better.
About 15 years ago, after wearing out a couple of cheapo manual string winders, I decided to make one from Delrin and brass. The weakpoint with the manual ones for me was that rotation joint. A hole in the dog leg of the handle with a screw through it proved to be a wear point with the exccessive cantilevered force. With that in mind, I came up with a different method. The entire handle rotates on a fixed steel axle. The wear is distributed over the entire length of the delrin handle inside diameter. I've been using this one ever since with no trouble, ie no binding, no slopiness, etc.
I'd consider making up a bunch if there's interest but rather than rob Bo's thread entirely, I will start another new thread for this with photo. |
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Jon Irsik
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Wichita, KS USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2015 4:43 am
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I received a couple if those Ernie Ball powered winders as gifts a couple years ago. For guitar they've worked well for me with no issues and the speed is just right.
Just bought a pedal steel and I'm changing strings this morning...I hope it makes the job a little easier. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 28 Aug 2015 5:11 am
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This is what I have. It is quite a bit bulkier than the EB type. I spent the extra money (it's now around $29) because it's definitely useful around the house. I only use it at home. I have no interest in carrying a power winder on the gig.
I have no complaints with this unit. The high speed is plenty fast for winding strings. My apprehensions remain (about the affect of high speed cranking of the machine heads) but I do it anyway.
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Bo Borland
From:
South Jersey -
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Posted 28 Aug 2015 6:03 am not that it really matters
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https://youtu.be/80EuGOXgoOo
here is the link to the taylor video .. i wanted to see what tool they used to speed up string changes..
I thought at some point the tech mentioned that he modded the driver with a different gear. It appears to spin faster than mine..
I use this B&D 2.4 volt rechargable , the driver part is from a Dunlop winder.. it come as 2 pieces
I like it better than a pistol grip for working on my own gear.
I really just want something that spins faster
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 28 Aug 2015 6:12 am
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The one that I posted has an articulated handle. It straightens out into a stick. But a big one--14" long.
I just looked it up. The two speeds are 180 RPM (screwdriver mode) and 600 RPM (drill mode).
6 volt. |
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Bo Borland
From:
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Posted 28 Aug 2015 7:19 am
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thats a mighty big one you have there Jon!
(said no one ever)
Ill have to see what the rpm specs are on mine . |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 28 Aug 2015 11:13 am
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The adapter that Bo posted is pretty much what I use. Like I said, I have no need to carry an electric string winder. Even if my hand winder were to break when changing a string at a gig, you can still hand wind it and not need a trip to the hospital.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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John Rickard
From:
Phoenix (It's A Dry Heave) AZ
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Posted 30 Aug 2015 3:20 pm
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I had a couple of those winders. They are OK for the money. I like the adapter better with a small lithium drill.
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