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Topic: More MSA split tuning questions |
Dustin Rigsby
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 4:55 am |
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I have an MSA D-10 and I want to put splits on 5 and 6. I am out of raise holes on 5. My LKV lowers 5 and 10 and I thought I might be able to add a raise rod to 10 and use it to split 5. My 2 lower half stop uses this method with a raise rod on 9. Will it make my A pedal raise feel jerky ? Could I use a 1/2 stop like Michael Yahl sells to accomplish tuning the split ?
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Lane Gray
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 5:21 am
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Get a "Bradshaw gizmo" from Michael or Tom Bradshaw, and borrow a raise slot from string 6 or a lower slot from 5.
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Mike Perlowin
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 9:48 am
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The gizmos Lane mentioned will also convert a lower to a raise. If you're not lowering strings 5 and 6 twice, you can convert the changer on those 2 strings from double raise double lower to triple raise, single lower.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 10:13 am
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Sorry. Misunderstood his question.
Are you talking about half-stops on 5 & 6, or splits? Not the same thing.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 10:40 am
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He was, I think, wanting to use the half-stop on the A pedal to feel the C, because he didn't know there were ways around the 2&2 limit.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 10:43 am
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That's what I first thought.
I tried one time to half stop the A pedal once. I couldn't feel the half stop with shoes with hard soles. It's much better on a knee that can feel the half stop better. There is also so much slow movement I use with the A pedal that wouldn't sound right with that bump at the half stop.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 10:45 am
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| I have an MSA D-10 and I want to put splits on 5 and 6. |
This what originally got me.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 10:55 am
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I just realized that I think we're answering the wrong question.
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| My 2 lower half stop uses this method with a raise rod on 9. Will it make my A pedal raise feel jerky ? |
No. Because the extra rod method puts a raise rod on the lowering lever, and you only hit it in the last little bit before the stop. You won't feel it on the pedal, because it's not on the pedal.
Sorry for answering a different question than you were asking. I recommend the Bradshaw gizmo.
Oops. TWO gizmos. I'll write a diagram later.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 11:15 am
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 12:35 pm
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Lane is right (as usual.)
The green guitar shown in my avatar had 3 of these gizmos, 2 on strings 5 and 6 to convert a lower to a raise, and 1 on string 11 that was installed upside down, which gave me 3 lowers.
The gizmos are tricky to install, but once in place they work perfectly, and never need any kind of maintenance.
I no longer own that guitar, but I played it for 25 years, most of that time with the gizmos installed, and they never caused any type of problem.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 12:42 pm
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Oops. Only one gizmo is NEEDED, from 5 raise to 5 lower.
I'd rod it like this, coming down from the top :
C pedal
A pedal (working through the long leg of the gizmo)
A# note tuning (working through the short leg of the gizmo) connecting to the LKV
C tuning, also connecting to LKV.
If you also have the Franklin pedal, THEN you need two gizmos.
The 6th string would be:
F# tuning (to the lever bellcrank)
B pedal
Open
G note tuning, also to the lever, of course.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Dustin Rigsby
From:
Parts Unknown, Ohio
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 1:28 pm
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Right now I am tuning the 5 lower to A with the pedal engaged and the 6 to G with the pedal engaged. My thoughts were to add feel stops so as to feel the Bb and the F notes.... Maybe I think too much. I'm really getting into those chord possibilities with the splits. Most of the time I just kinda just feel for the F note but the LKV Bb is a little more difficult to do that with,which I assume is because of the body mechanics require to use a vertical. I believe it's harder to finesse because you're using the calf muscle to lower the vertical.....
Edited to add: with my style I don't see a use for the Franklin pedal at this juncture. I just don't know how I would incorporate that change. I sometimes wonder if I'm overthinking it....Lloyd Green makes beautiful music with a minimalist copedant....
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 1:41 pm
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Do you use the lower to A much? I don't use that nearly as much as the A#.
If you split the A pedal with a whole tone lower, you'll be back to B. C and A# will be hard to get. Unless you're more clever than me.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Dustin Rigsby
From:
Parts Unknown, Ohio
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 7:59 pm
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Semantics.... You know what I mean....that's what I get for responding when I'm on the go  . I just want a way to tune the B to Bb in the open position. I think or thought that adding the half stop lower with the barrel tuner would be easier than re-rodding the entire 5 th string.....
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 8:16 pm
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If you lower to A and want the A#, you'll need a half-stop.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Dustin Rigsby
From:
Parts Unknown, Ohio
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 8:23 pm
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10-4.....that's what I was thinking. Hey Lane....at least I didn't say "good buddy"...  trucker jokes the rest 'o the world don't understand....
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