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Topic: Questions about MSA U-12 7/5 Copedant. Seems clumsey |
John Prather
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Indiana, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 7:14 am |
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Bought this BEAUTIFUL MSA U-12 7/5. Physically and Mechanically superb instrument. Clean as a whistle. I have issues with the Copedant. E9 knees in the wrong place, Wierd B6 pedals. I'm already thinking of changing the setup. Does anyone recognize it? Have suggestions to improve it without a total redo?
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 7:27 am
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P6 should move 6 to A#, not A.
I don't understand the LKV, it's not a standard C6th or E9th pull. Since I don't understand it, I'd move the standalone 5th string drop to LKV, and put a 6th string drop to F# with a half-stop at F on LKV.
Otherwise, it looks just fine to me.
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John Prather
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 7:38 am Huh?
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| Thanks Lane. I'm not quite sure what you mean by the LKV change. I think you might have meant LKL for one of those LKVs. Can you re-read that? |
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 7:45 am
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Personally, I would never have a half-stop on the F lever (RKL). That F# is useful but not at the expense of a positive stop on the F lever.
edited because I'm groggy enough to call a lever a pedal....
Last edited by Jon Light on 11 Jul 2015 9:09 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 7:48 am
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No, I meant that I don't understand the LKV lowering 5 a half and 6 a whole. Because I don't understand it, I'd split it up. LKV drops 5 a half and LKL drops 6 a whole (half-stop at G, because that's a handy C6th change)
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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John Prather
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 8:02 am Lane LKV/LKL Jon too.
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Lane, So are you saying that you would simply remove the A# on the LKV and use the LKL A# instead? With both knees having only a single string?
I know the F/F# half stop on the RKR was added by the last owner. Not sure why. Personal pref. It's a good solid half stop but I can see what you're saying. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 8:06 am
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Actually, I'd drop 5 with LKV, one string only.
I'd use LKR to drop 6 and 10 a whole (I forgot about 10), with a half-stop at G on 6 (I've NEVER felt the need to drop the equivalent of your 10th a half).
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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mike nolan
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Forest Hills, NY USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 8:56 am
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As is...
The LKV could be 2/3 of the Franklin change if you dropped 5 another half step to A. Maybe that was the intent?
I agree with Jon on the half stop F... it will probably never be accurate.
Your B6 pedals are pulling the right strings, just to the wrong notes in a few instances. Your P 4 5 6 and 7 would translate to standard Uni pedals 5 6 7 and 8, except for P5 on your guitar to be standard P6 should have string 4 pulling to E, not F#. Your P6 would be standard P7 if it pulled string 5 to C# and string 6 to A#.
I would probably lose the half stop on your RKR string 2 and pick either the D or C#. The C# is more useful with the E lowers on the B6 side... the D with the E lowers, isn't that useful.
I have added a second LKL on my Uni guitars just so I could have independent solid D and C# notes on string 2.
I agree with Lane about the LKV.... it is pretty standard to put the 5th string lower to A# there... both for E9 and B6 applications. That leaves your LKL open for something else. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 8:59 am
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| Jon Light wrote: |
| Personally, I would never have half-stop on the F pedal (RKL). That F# is useful but not at the expense of a positive stop on the F pedal. |
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| I have added a second LKL on my Uni guitars just so I could have independent solid D and C# notes on string 2. |
Me too. But I want that 2nd LKL for another change, so I put the half stop back on string 2. My Carter has the "extra" 11th finger for the half stops. I took a return spring and cut a couple of coils off to make the spring tighter. I guess that can't easily be done on the MSA for the E strings going to F and F#. Wait... Doesn't the MSA have a tunable half stop mechanism in the undercarriage? Maybe a stronger spring on it will help get the have stop more accurately.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 10:35 am
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MSA usually has one half-stop. If you switch to a longer rod and use Bud barrels, one half-stop can work on more than one string.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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John Prather
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2015 1:49 pm WoW!
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| Thanks guys. You're great. |
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