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Gary Cooper
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 6:59 am |
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I have a GFI Ultra, single neck on a double frame.
The pressure to engage the LKL is minimal; the pressure to engage the LKR is more; RKL is not too bad, but RKR requires a significant push. Is there a remedy to make the knee levers easier to engage<
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Lane Gray
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 7:29 am
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What are they doing? You might be able to rerod it to be softer but longer.
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Gary Cooper
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Atmore, Alabama
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 7:41 am Knee Lever
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Happy 4th of July Lane, when I engage the LKL only a minimum amount of pressure is used to lower the pitch of the 4th and 8th strings from E to Eb; but to raise those E's to F (LKR) it takes a hard push with my left knee to move the lever. Same with the RKL and RKR levers. THANKS, Gary
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 8:49 am
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Hmmmm. What does GFI use for reversers? I wonder if they're stiff or binding?
You could try moving the rods closer to the shaft, but when it's both *KL, I'm going to think tour reversers are stiff. Make sense?
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Gary Cooper
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Atmore, Alabama
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 10:03 am Gfi
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Lane, I do not have knowledge about reversers
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 10:04 am
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| GFI doesn't actually use reversers. The same hardware is used for levers moving either direction. The same lever bracket is turned 180 degrees and the pivot point moved: above the pull rod attachment (in playing position) for left, below the pull rod for right. |
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Rich Upright
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 10:13 am
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Are you playing a Day setup? Wondering why your "E" levers are reversed as to function.
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Larry Hamilton
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Amarillo,Tx
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 12:16 pm
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Yep probably plays the Day way. I play Day floor pedals but lower E's on RKL and raise them LKR.
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 1:02 pm
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A lot to be said for splitting the E raise and lower on different knees.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 2:04 pm
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
| A lot to be said for splitting the E raise and lower on different knees. |
And for both on the same knee. Just ask Emmons, Hughey, and a whole bunch of others. |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 2:41 pm
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True. But with them separated, you can drop the third of the chord a whole tone (smoothly) in the A/F position.
I guess all those great players (and from what I recall from polls on the subject a majority of the PSG population at large) simply never felt the need.
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Bob Moore
From:
N. Rose, New York
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 2:58 pm Knee levers
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| I have a GFI and the return spring on LKR is big. I have problem. Very hard to use. |
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Richard Sinkler
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 3:44 pm
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
True. But with them separated, you can drop the third of the chord a whole tone (smoothly) in the A/F position.
I guess all those great players (and from what I recall from polls on the subject a majority of the PSG population at large) simply never felt the need. |
I never feel the need. You can get that sound with the A pedal in the pedals down position; using the lever that lowers the 2nd string using 1, 2 and 5 to make the B chord; If you have the 6th string lower, you can use it in the no pedals position.
And I do sometimes use it in the way you are describing, and unless you had you ear on the grill cloth of my amp, you would not hear any bump.
I like having them on the same knee to allow other changes on the opposite knee that could work with them.
But to each his own. |
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James Quillian
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San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Posted 3 Jul 2015 6:26 pm
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I don't know anything about your particular guitar and really need to know more about my own.
I adjust the knee levers by changing the hole the rod connects to. The lower the hole, the more distance the lever has to travel to fully engage the string.
I like less travelling distance in the F lever than the D lever but I like to be able to make a slow change with either. Neither rod is in the top hole. I don't know if you have tried any of this or not but it might make a difference.
Someone else could explain this better. I am not a professional steel player.
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Dan Behringer
From:
Jerseyville, Illinois
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Posted 4 Jul 2015 3:46 am
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One problem I discovered with my Ultra... the nylon tuning nut on my 2nd string lower would drop and hit the finger stop plate and actually bend up when I engaged the RKR lever. Moving it to the upper hole in the lowering finger cured that.
I also changed the rodding to get more leverage on that knee lever. It’s works real easy now, but it has quite a bit of travel to the stop. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 4 Jul 2015 3:53 am
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| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| Ian Rae wrote: |
| A lot to be said for splitting the E raise and lower on different knees. |
And for both on the same knee. Just ask Emmons, Hughey, and a whole bunch of others. |
I put them on the same knee because I often use both the 2nd string lower with the E lowers (and occasionally the E raises), AND also use the 6th string lower to F# with the E lowers.
If I were to separate the E string levers, I'd lose at least one of the above combinations.
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