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Daryl Stogner
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Posted 22 Jul 2004 9:32 pm |
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I'm pretty darn new to learning PSG, and have been practicing as much as I can at home, but tonight was the first night I've practiced and played with the band. Normally I play bass and guitar.
Anyway, I just played background fills and a few simple turn arounds and the guys loved it. The addition of the steel to the band even with my inexperience adds so much and it was nice that the guys were supportive while I'm learning.
One more practice session and I'll play pretty much the same stuff in public this weekend. It's a first for me and boy I'm excited and can't wait!
Sure motivates a guy to learn more and put it to use. The minor and minor 7ths were tripping me up some on a couple of the songs, but I'll get there. At least I know when to be quiet! 
Daryl
(oops wrong topic area! sheesh does the excite show?)
[This message was edited by Daryl Stogner on 22 July 2004 at 10:34 PM.] |
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James Morehead
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Posted 23 Jul 2004 4:07 am
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Hey Daryl, I'm exactly where you are right now! I played out with a band two weeks ago. They had one request---"Don't get us fired!!"
They liked me enough that I am playing two nights this weekend with them, and another band heard it went well, and I play with them this weekend, too, during early evening!! I'm like you---just play simple fills when the singer has a gap. Once in awhile they throw me a ride, and me and the guitar man hook up and go. I'm haveing a blast!! Even someone out in the audience hollered "Cut that steel player loose and let him rip!!!" I didn't go there yet, though.HA!! Have Fun!! YEEE HAWWW [This message was edited by James Morehead on 23 July 2004 at 05:11 AM.] |
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Daryl Stogner
From:
San Diego, CA * R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Jul 2004 11:47 am
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James,
I've most always had fun playing bass or guitar with a band, but sitting at the steel and listening for places to jump in, or playing quiet fills in the background was way too much fun. I'm looking forward to Saturday's get together.
I have been practicing on a Carter Starter which has been great to learn on. But I spotted Jordan Shapiro's Sho Bud for sale last night and am buying it.
Talk about getting motivated! Why didn't I take this thing up 35 years ago, I'll never know?
Suppose this stuff might be boring to all the old pro's around here, but even they have to remember how it felt to get their first start out of the gate!
Daryl
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Daryl Stogner
My email: daryl@piknsteel.com
My Website: www.dstogner.com
Dave's Website:www.davestogner.com
[This message was edited by Daryl Stogner on 23 July 2004 at 12:48 PM.] [This message was edited by Daryl Stogner on 23 July 2004 at 12:50 PM.] |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 23 Jul 2004 12:36 pm
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Actually Daryl, although I am not to be considered a PRO..but have been playing Bandstands for 40 years...(Steel for a couple of decades ) I still get excited about every gig sitting behind the Steel. I too play Bass and Tele's etc.. and really enjoy that as well..but sitting behind the Steel is always special..especially if I'm in tune !
have fun, , thats what it is all about...
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Daryl Stogner
From:
San Diego, CA * R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Jul 2004 1:04 pm
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Tony,
Thanks for the input, I'm sure glad the feeling doesn't slip away over the years!
I'm having a blast and it is all about having fun....in tune.
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Ricky Littleton
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Steely-Eyed Missile Man from Cocoa Beach, Florida USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2004 5:33 pm
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Daryl, there's no substitute for playing with some "air breathers"! All the practicing at home with scales or playing against track is there to increase proficiency, but with a band (I think) is where YOUR style begins to develop and the place where the "soul" in your playing starts.
One of the best feelings I can remember is the first time a singer turned and looked when I was playing my first break with the band and gave that big grin that was my sign that I had added just what he wanted to the song.
Just my $0.02 worth.
Ricky
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Dan-Echo, E-Bow, Ibanez Distortion, Boss Comp./Sustain, Ibanez Auto-Wah, PX4 Pandoras Box
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Daryl Stogner
From:
San Diego, CA * R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Jul 2004 10:41 pm
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Ricky,
I saw that happen the other night in the middle of a song and afterwards the singer asked me how I did that? I told him I always used to ask that question too, but all I could say was I was just playing what I was hearing and feeling.
It wasn't fancy, but it was something that added just what was needed. If I knew what I was doing, I'd be too worried about technique, rather than playing for what I hear and feel.
Daryl
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Daryl Stogner
My email: daryl@piknsteel.com
My Website: www.dstogner.com
Dave's Website:www.davestogner.com
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 24 Jul 2004 9:30 am
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Playing live is the ONLY way to keep yourself straight, and ingrain licks, runs, pushes, and other things into yourself.
Playing only for yourself, and/or your pets, is not bad, but if you're delusional at all, ( like me and nearly all my friends) it allows those delusions to take over your life. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.. but bitterness can accompany them.. and overshadow your actual playing ability.
In my case, I had the good fortune to find a band that had a couple wedding gigs, and a moose lodge gig. This after only taking lessons for two years, albeit with hours of practice daily with a rythym machine.
I was amazed at how easily people were fooled. I never lost the inner voice that told and still tells me when somethings not the way I should be playing it. Mr Bud Charleton provided that for me at low cost to me, and great pains to him.
In my first couple years, people were amazed at how short a time I had been playing. I played 5-7 nights a week, more or less straight for ten years or so before I got a good steady "day job" and kept playing 5-7 nites a week until the present, when there simply aren't any more 7 night a week clubs.
Now after 2500 or more gigs, I find myself not wanting to admit to them how long I've been playing.
It's still the "fix" the "affirmation" and the "catharsis" that I need and get every week. Sometimes in the same venues I started out in.
It's the playing that is important. The "live" part is the affirmation.
Then again..
"Fool's Names, and Fool's Faces..."
Enjoy it.[This message was edited by Eric West on 24 July 2004 at 01:07 PM.] |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 24 Jul 2004 11:47 pm
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| Daryl, I just polished off my weekend of pickin'. Four gigs in two days!! I got a lot of nice compliments. You will love it!! Just keep in mind chord structure, which as a bass player you know from way back when anyways. And don't forget to have fun!! What's minors and minor 7th's?? I ain't no minor, I'm dang near----old now! and I ain't the 7th minor in this band, either! HA!! |
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Daryl Stogner
From:
San Diego, CA * R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Jul 2004 6:50 am
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4 gigs in two days? Man what a way to get broke in! All I can say guys, putting down the bass and guitar for awhile and taking up PSG was the best decision I have ever made.
I love it! Thank goodness there ain't a banjo bug like this....:> Or is there?
Daryl
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Daryl Stogner
My email: daryl@piknsteel.com
My Website: www.dstogner.com
Dave's Website:www.davestogner.com
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 25 Jul 2004 2:08 pm
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Just hang in there. You will make mistakes but the good news is, on an average gig (not a steel show or something like that) chances are nobody will notice it. On the most recent gig I played, I blew a couple of things so badly I just wanted to crawl into a hole in the ground. Strangely, afterwards a lot of people told us how much they liked it, one of them was a beautiful female classical harp player who performed right before us. Go figure.
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Daryl Stogner
From:
San Diego, CA * R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Jul 2004 2:26 pm
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I would have thought a harp player's ear would have caught a mistake. Maybe it wasn't as bad as you thought it was?
This weekend was my first public picking extravaganza..... had a blast for a guy that doesn't know anything. The people came up afterwards and told me they loved it! So much for anyone having an ear for music! hahaha Still it encouraged me to keep after it.
Daryl
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My Website: www.dstogner.com
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Jul 2004 7:08 pm
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Just attempting to play steel guitar out in public is one thing. Sitting in with a band that you have never even heard play before is entirely a hairy adventure! I was positioned so I could see the rythme player. I thought this was cool, that I could just glance over and see what key. Turns out he is left handed and plays a regular guitar, just upside down. AUGH!! Several times I had just figured out the key when they looked at me to "take the ride". I made it through just fine---barely!! They didn't know how close we got to a wreck, but didn't. (Oh how I love the Nashville number system!) And they LOVED my rides! I didn't tell them they ought to hear a REAL steel picker sometime, though! HA!! My experience this weekend was fabulous, and did me a world of good. The crowd loved the addition of steel to the band, and the band loved what I was able to do, and I loved it and am ready to go again.
Sounds like win win win.  Go get em, Daryl! |
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Eric Gearhart
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Bellingham, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 26 Jul 2004 4:03 am
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Daryl Stogner
From:
San Diego, CA * R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Jul 2004 5:47 am
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Jazz? hahahaha
I've got to remember that one! 
When I hit a wrong note I look at one of the guitar players and frown. hahaha
Daryl
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Ray Minich
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Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 26 Jul 2004 7:24 am
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| One of the best feelings I can remember is the first time a singer turned and looked when I was playing my first break with the band and gave that big grin that was my sign that I had added just what he wanted to the song. |
Sends shivers up my spine, there ain't no feeling quite like it.
[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 26 July 2004 at 08:25 AM.] |
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Joey Ace
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 26 Jul 2004 8:42 am
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You guys are describing what make Steel so attractive to me. These are the reasons we own expensive instruments, practice long and hard, lug heavy gear, drive great distances, discuss items on the 'net, etc., etc....
I play a few other instruments at a pro-level, but nothing else (musical) matchs the pride and satisfaction I feel when a Steel gig goes well.
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Charles Turpin
From:
Mexico, Missouri, USA
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Posted 26 Jul 2004 12:39 pm
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Daryl you will love this welcome to the world of steel guitar. I will never forget my first playing gig on steel. Everyone new i played lead guitar. At a little show in Macon , once a month they had what they call a talent show. But actually it was a Jam session where everyone came up there and sung a couple songs once a month. Glen a friend of mine played there and he talked me into going up and bringing my steel and i thought i was going to do my two songs like everyone else. But that day i ended up playing the whole day with the house band. Then went back one sunday a month for 8 years. I think all steel guitars ought to have a warning sign on them that they can become Habit forming. hahahha.But to me these musicians on here they are the pros, even after 41 years of playing ithink of my music as fun. It has been my hobby all my life and it will probably be a hobby for the rest of it. But you got to have fun with your music, If you are having fun you are relaxed , relaxed and rested is where that music is at. I beleive your, and everyones ,atitude when they are playing is how good that music sounds. Reece Anderson has a lot of material on that. So welcome to the world of steel, and above all dont be so serious have fun.
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Daryl Stogner
From:
San Diego, CA * R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Jul 2004 4:49 pm
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After working in a real serious profession for 25 years and retiring, I knew it was time to get back into music and pick up on the fun part, which I missed during everyone of those 25 years.
I'm afraid I might annoy real players with all of my questions, so I spread it around amongst a handful. The forum is a great place for us newby's to learn all kinds of things. And what a hoot it is to be able to hang around with so much talent at one location!
Practice and yes there will be lessons as I can afford them, will be a big help, but picking up a lick here and there and putting it to use is what makes it fun. It's like, WOW! I actually played that and it sounded good.
The immediate and long term goals playing this thing just don't stop. Reading what you all are saying it doesn't stop ever!
Daryl
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My Website: www.dstogner.com
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