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Steve Perry
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Posted 30 May 2015 3:10 pm |
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I'm a new steel player. I started a year and a half ago when I got my new Zum Encore along with the Stage One volume pedal. I'm just now getting to the point where I'm trying to use the pedal for something more than a foot rest.  The problem I'm running into is that the pedal action feels kind of notchy and it seems like there's a point about halfway through the travel where the volume makes a large jump. I'm just wondering if pedals like the Goodrich and others operate similarly or is this something peculiar to the Stage One? |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 May 2015 3:59 pm
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If it's a string-controlled pedal (I can't remember whether it has a gear instead), look to see that it doesn't wrap over itself.
Also, if it doesn't attach with a bracket, I've had it catch on the pedal bar, if it's too close.
Put the pedal on your lap and operate by hand. If problem exists in your lap, contact Doug, he does good customer service. They shouldn't do that.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects
Last edited by Lane Gray on 1 Jun 2015 6:04 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Scott Duckworth
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Etowah, TN Western Foothills of the Smokies
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Posted 30 May 2015 5:14 pm
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I could be just having to get used to an audio taper potentiometer. I still think linear taper would be better.
Audio taper has it's most boost after the halfway point.
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John Booth
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Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 30 May 2015 5:43 pm
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So does a linear taper potentiometer increase the volume more smoothly?
If so, can I put one in any pot volume pedal?
Thanks
JB
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
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Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 30 May 2015 6:26 pm
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| I would advise against using a linear taper. You barely move the pedal and it goes from off to wide open. Not good for a volume pedal. |
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John Booth
From:
Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 30 May 2015 6:41 pm
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Thanks Jim,
I use an Emmons pot pedal and about halfway it really leaps up in volume.
What would you suggest?
JB
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 May 2015 9:58 pm
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Read his post. It FEELS notchy.
If you feel it in the foot, the taper isn't an issue.
A linear taper in a volume application is a little weird sounding.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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John Booth
From:
Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 31 May 2015 4:59 am
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I got that, but I'm not "feeling" anything like a string wrapping over itself or anything, Mine responds more
like the red line in this graph
where I would prefer that it respond more like the blue or even the green line in this graph.
Do I just have a $hi##y pot or something?
Wish I could afford one of those Telonics multi-taper jobs.
Thanks guys,
JB
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 31 May 2015 5:11 am
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Due to psychoacoustics, a green line will SOUND like the magenta line. And if you want to HEAR the green line, you'll want the blue.
You could try a linear pot, I'd suspect you wouldn't like it, so get one from Radio Shack. You MIGHT just have a bum pot, it would fail to surprise me that quality control has slipped.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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John Booth
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Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 31 May 2015 5:14 am
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psychoacoustics?
Hmmm... Guess I getter get on Google 
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 31 May 2015 5:17 am
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Means hearing is more brain than ears. That's all.
If you like reading, check out "This Is Your Brain On Music.
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Ray Thomas
From:
Goldsboro North Carolina
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Posted 31 May 2015 6:04 am Info
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Hilton
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John Booth
From:
Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 31 May 2015 6:53 am
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Hilton or Telonics = $ this ole boy can't spare right now. BUT if I could, which do you'se guys think is better and why?
Thanks,
JB
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 31 May 2015 8:02 am
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| start a new thread. |
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Carl Kilmer
From:
East Central, Illinois
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Posted 31 May 2015 8:04 am
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Hilton! It's affordable, and the best I've ever had. I've had plenty.
I have 2 of them and would never own anything else.
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Michael Coggins
From:
Sligo, Ireland
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Posted 31 May 2015 9:57 am Re: Stage One volume pedal
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| Steve Perry wrote: |
| I'm a new steel player. I started a year and a half ago when I got my new Zum Encore along with the Stage One volume pedal. I'm just now getting to the point where I'm trying to use the pedal for something more than a foot rest. The problem I'm running into is that the pedal action feels kind of notchy and it seems like there's a point about halfway through the travel where the volume makes a large jump. I'm just wondering if pedals like the Goodrich and others operate similarly or is this something peculiar to the Stage One? |
Steve, I too have a Zum Encore and a Stage One volume pedal!
When I first got the pedal I found the gear drive a little bit too stiff for my liking, so I adjusted the tension until I got better "feel".
The travel from low volume to fully on is very smooth on my pedal. I would take a look at the gearing and make sure it is clean and dust free. It may be a faulty pot of course, which I'm sure Doug can replace for you.
As a nubie also (2 years in), I think the smooth operating of the volume pedal with the right side knee levers is one of the most difficult things to do on the PSG.
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Mike Archer
From:
church hill tn
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Posted 31 May 2015 11:55 am i have
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I have a telonics pedal its awesome
I also just a week back got a Hilton it also is awesome
to tell you the truth they sound about the same
on the setting I have on the telonics right now
you would do well with either but bare this in mind for some reason chimes are easier to do
with a pot pedal and Paul still uses a pot pedal..
for that reason according to his video
I to have found this to be true
mike
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 31 May 2015 10:16 pm
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I will mention that IF a buffer-amp is used (before the VP of course), a linear pot can be made to operate as a logarithmic pot by adding a resistor, of about half the value of the pot itself, between center-connection and GND.
Pretty much any curve one wants can be had by adding the right resistor-value(s) the right way - between center and either of the two other connectors. But, the VP will of course then get an overall lower resistance, so a buffer is needed to prevent severe "tone-suck"  |
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 31 May 2015 11:10 pm
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I recently replaced a pot for a customer who had just had a new pot put in his pedal. I found that the pulley was mounted in such a position that the pulley allen screw struck the "top" of the pedal casting as it rotated which caused a very distinct catch and when it got past that point and released it naturally jumped in volume. I went ahead and replaced the pot and sent his "old" new one back to him with the pedal. Watch out for those set screws which I don't know if the Stage One has that long screw extending out of the pulley or not.
Jerry
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Doug Earnest
From:
Branson, MO USA
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Posted 1 Jun 2015 4:56 am
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| Steve, check your email. I'll fix your pedal. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 1 Jun 2015 6:03 am
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What did I say way back up in the first post?
Well done, Doug.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Keith Hilton
From:
248 Laurel Road Ozark, Missouri 65721
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Posted 1 Jun 2015 1:07 pm
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| Doug is a friend of mine, he will help you. Doug is an all around good person. |
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Steve Perry
From:
Elizabethtown Ky, USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2015 6:41 am
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| Thanks, Doug and everyone else. Embarassingly, in hindsight, I should have taken this up privately with Doug in the first place. I started this post not as a complaint, but just trying to find out if what I was experiencing was normal or not. As you can see above, Doug has offered to fix the pedal and as soon as I can line up a box, it will be off to him. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 2 Jun 2015 1:24 pm
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You could try Michael's idea of adjusting the tension?
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