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Topic: Newbie looking for info on Emmons |
Thomas Kirkbride
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Posted 3 May 2015 6:06 pm |
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I recently acquired this Emmons and Im looking for more information on it. I am not a musician by any means so I took it to my brother in law to test it out. Hes more of a classic rock guy and had never played a pedal steel before. At least we know it works. The serial number is 1395 and i believe that means its a 1970. I also believe it has a bolt on changer (see pics below). Remember, I know basically nothing about guitars so feel free to share any info you can about it. It has 3 knee levers and 3 pedals. The case is pretty cool and has stickers showing where the previous owner played. I like to learn as much as I can about stuff before I sell it. I really wish I knew how to play it but Im more of a metal/woodworker. Also, if you could place a value on it as a "fixer upper". Im sure it will need adjusting and what not. Thanks for all your help.
Quick youtube vid showing it working:
https://youtu.be/5smmVWzwXD4
Second vid:
https://youtu.be/lajZ0_TcBy8
Pics:
PS, sorry the last two pics are upside. photobucket is terrible |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 3 May 2015 6:20 pm
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| interesting videos! |
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Jack Goodson
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new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 3 May 2015 6:30 pm email sent
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| thomas, i sent you an email....thanks jack |
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Jerome Hawkes
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Posted 3 May 2015 6:51 pm
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those case stickers are awesome - remember when people use to load up their cases with those. bye-gone era...coldest beer in town - you know some great country music was played in that joint.
thats a '66-67 'bolt-on' emmons btw.
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Paul Sutherland
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Placerville, California
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Posted 3 May 2015 6:52 pm
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Personal message sent.
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Thomas Kirkbride
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Michigan, USA
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Posted 3 May 2015 6:58 pm
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| Jerome Hawkes wrote: |
those case stickers are awesome - remember when people use to load up their cases with those. bye-gone era...coldest beer in town - you know some great country music was played in that joint.
thats a '66-67 'bolt-on' emmons btw. |
What makes it a 66-67? The number on the bottom is 1395 which based on what I could find says its a 1970. I just want to be 100% accurate when I decribe it. Thanks |
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Bob Hoffnar
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Posted 3 May 2015 7:09 pm
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I have a 67 S10 bolt on that looks just like it. The serial numbers for S10's is different than the D10's. Might be a 60's and worth quite a bit.
Since it seems like you don't know what you are doing and you want to sell it. To make sure you get a fair deal and who ever buys it gets a fair deal I would put it on consignment with Jim Palenscar at http://www.steelguitars.me/
Those guitars in playable shape can sell for over $2500. But it needs to be playable which can involve serious expense depending on its condition.
I would take some pictures of the undercarriage so people can get an idea of what needs to be done.
And your videos are indeed awesome.
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Paul Sutherland
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Placerville, California
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Posted 3 May 2015 7:12 pm
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Looks like ShoBud knee levers. Otherwise looks pretty stock. I'd also like to see the underside.
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Thomas Kirkbride
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Michigan, USA
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Posted 3 May 2015 7:15 pm
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| Bob Hoffnar wrote: |
I have a 67 S10 bolt on that looks just like it. The serial numbers for S10's is different than the D10's. Might be a 60's and worth quite a bit.
Since it seems like you don't know what you are doing and you want to sell it. To make sure you get a fair deal and who ever buys it gets a fair deal I would put it on consignment with Jim Palenscar at http://www.steelguitars.me/
Those guitars in playable shape can sell for over $2500. But it needs to be playable which can involve serious expense depending on its condition.
I would take some pictures of the undercarriage so people can get an idea of what needs to be done.
And your videos are indeed awesome. |
Lol ^. I see now that the 1395 would refer to an invoice number so it is a 66-67 era. Thanks for the help with that. A couple people have told me it has sho bud knee levers as well. I will get some underside pics up as soon as i can. Thanks |
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Jerome Hawkes
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Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 4 May 2015 3:35 am
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those were originally set up as 6 pedal/0 knee C6 steels from my understanding - supposedly there was a big order placed by a hawaiian steel guitar school in canada in 66-67. you can see the original pedal rack is set up for 6 pedals - the changer is also the beefier C6 changer. you hardly ever find them as 6p steels though.
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Abe Levy
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California, USA
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Posted 4 May 2015 6:54 am
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Email sent.
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Mostly Pre-1970 guitars. |
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Andy Eder
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North Florida, USA
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Posted 4 May 2015 7:41 am
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| This can be a great steel when all is well. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 4 May 2015 10:46 am ~
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Interesting set of circumstances: the case is of the type that came with guitars from 1964-66 so I'd say it was an 1966 guitar. I have a 67 S10 bolt-on with a different style case.
That said, the serial no. is an anomaly to the list I've been unofficially assembling regarding these early-year guitars. All the '66 invoice number guitars I've located were serialized in the 2000s, as were many of the earlier late-'65 wraparounds. The number you have would fit in the mid-1965 range. It could be that the endplate was mfg'd in 1965 but was finally assembled on a 1966 S10.
It probably went back to the factory at some point because there should be a chevron decal where there is now a plaque, but whatever, it's not original to the guitar. Most Emmonses of that vintage wind up with plaques anyway. Factory did that a lot.
The Sho~Bud levers are dismaying, I hope they're hooked up to the original undercarriage parts. It's common for one of those S10s that were 6/0 to be converted to 3/3 using the original crossbars.
I like these guitars; I have a 67 bolt-on that's 3/4 E9, and a 68 cut-tail that's a 6/4 S10 C6 guitar. The bolt-on, with Ray Allen's lightweight legs, comes in at 46 pounds and it's my fly-gig guitar.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Abe Levy
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California, USA
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Posted 4 May 2015 12:36 pm
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I emailed with thomas about the guitar. He was kind enough to send me pics of the underside. The sho bud levers have been screwed into the cabinet. The guitar has been sold I believe, and I know that the buyer knows so I don't think I'm revealing anything here that shouldn't be: there is a chunk of the apron missing where the endplates screw goes into the cabinet. About a half inch, so that the screw is out in the air. Anybody dealt with this before? It prevented me from Pursuing the guitar but I'm curious if anybody has fixed such things before? I was especially concerned that the mica would have to be replaced to add new wood to the apron?
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Herb Steiner
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Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 4 May 2015 1:14 pm
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I am the kind of guy that feels instruments from that era, if able to be restored, should be restored. So I'd want the cabinet repaired and re-mica'ed, re-flocked, correct decal replaced, and generally given the Cass/Stafford/Cass treatment.
That treatment might put the guitar way underwater monetarily unless it was purchased at a garage sale price. But my way of thinking is that, when faced with a situation that you can remedy with an instrument like that, the Universe demands that you do it, or have it done, for the sake of posterity.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Abe Levy
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California, USA
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Posted 4 May 2015 1:35 pm
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Absolutely agree, Herb. I was just wondering if anyone had done a job on a cabinet problem like that and what it entails? I wanted to buy the guitar to refurbish myself, but I just was too worried about the apron. Fixing it as well as the impact on the guitar's long term value...
By the way - I know you keep a list of 60s Emmons guitars and their owners - I'm just recently the proud owner of my second Bolt on - a White Leather Mica D10 - it's an invoice guitar #2767
I just refurbished it myself and it's dreamy.
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Mike Cass
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Posted 5 May 2015 4:34 am
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easy repair on the cab.....
to wit: over the years Ive noticed that drunk-careless roadies/band members/bar patrons/tunnel-vision groupies have a unique way of slew-footin' past a pedal steel and hooking a leg, usually with a big ol' cowboy boot, thus causing such a problem. Funny when you see it go down from a distance. Not so funny when its your guitar...wish I could tell the joke on here that that line came from 
btw: to end the speculation....that S-10 bolt-on in the pics is built on a '65 S-10 wraparound body and endplates(hence the ser#)so its an original factory retrofit done @ time of assembly, sometime in late '65 or early '66.
Anybody else catch that, or know why that's true?
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Everything Emmons....since 1987 |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 5 May 2015 5:35 am
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| Mike Cass wrote: |
btw: to end the speculation....that S-10 bolt-on in the pics is built on a '65 S-10 wraparound body and endplates(hence the ser#)so its an original factory retrofit done @ time of assembly, sometime in late '65 or early '66.
Anybody else catch that, or know why that's true?
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What I was thinking, glad to hear you validate the theory: early bolt-on (with milled lip) on 1965 cabinet.
What do you surmise was the reason for milling the lip, other than allowing for more height to the pillar?
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Jack Goodson
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new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 5 May 2015 6:00 am first chance?
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| i beleive i should have been first in line, but i found out that some folks do not honor that anymore....jack |
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Thomas Kirkbride
From:
Michigan, USA
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Posted 5 May 2015 6:16 am
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| The guitar has been sold to a wonderful gentleman. He gave me the information I was looking for and he made me one offer which I felt was the right price. Thanks to everyone who has shared information about the guitar. |
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Jack Goodson
From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
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Posted 5 May 2015 6:29 am no problem
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| no problem thomas....thanksjack |
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