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Topic: Where to locate the Franklin pedal |
Jim Hoke
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 24 Apr 2015 6:34 pm |
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| After holding off for years, I've decided I could really use that 5 WT lower. So in regards to other changes, combinations, etc., where have you found to be the best location for the Franklin pedal? Seems like next to the A pedal (or "zero" pedal w/ Emmons set-up) would be useful; I know that pedal 4 is also popular. Anybody have just the 5 and 10 lower as a LKV? That way, it would be independent of the 6 WT lower, like Tommy White. Anybody tried that? I want to know where you have it and why. Thanks everybody. |
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Dan Moslander
From:
Central California USA
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Posted 24 Apr 2015 7:34 pm
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Jim, I have a Jackson Pro IV Shot Jackson w/the Franklin pedal...this is how mine is set up:
LKL: 4+8 raise
LKV: 5+10 lower
LKR: 4+8 lower
RKL: 1+2 raise, 6 lower to F#(split on 6th lower to
get a G)
RKR: 2+9 lower
Franklin pedal in the 0 position
Seems to work very well for me..don't use the Franklin pedal much anyway.. but is there when I need it......
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 12:21 am
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I put it next to the C pedal. I don't use it much yet.
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Bo Borland
From:
South Jersey -
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 5:02 am
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Mine is at #4 on a 9 pedal set up
I use it all all the time
If I have another steel built , I would put it at the 0 position.
or I would try to use pedal 4 on both necks rather than going to 9 pedals |
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Jim Hoke
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 5:38 am
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| Dan, if you lower 5 and 10 a whole tone, and you're lowering 6 also, you have the Franklin pedal effect right there, unless your 5 & 10 lowers are half-steps. You might as well have that Franklin pedal do something else. |
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Dan Moslander
From:
Central California USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 7:31 am
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Jim, it lowers the 5th string to A and the 6th string to F# and 10 to A. I'm not the original owner, this is how it was set up when I bought it. I'm about a year and a half 'new'; so you probably know more about it than I do..just thought it might help a little..Dan
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 7:32 am
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| Jim, I tried 5th string lower WT on LKV to get Tommy Whites uses but it was pretty ungainly. Gary Carter has FP on LKV. Doug Jernigan had 5+6 WT lower on LKV but I saw him last month and just had only 6ST lower now. |
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DG Whitley
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 8:47 am
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I know, I do my stuff weird, PF pedal is in first slot with the split part coming in on RKL:
I know a lot of folks think I'm crazy this way, but  (sigh)... |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 8:55 am
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i have a question. i still use the basic d10 copedent from 20-30 years ago. i'm far from learning all the wonderful sounds available with it.
so i am assuming all of you that are advancing with the newer franklin options have tapped out the old tuning and need more?
or are you just finding a way to play a modern lick or two while ignoring the incredible basics available from the old tuning? |
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DG Whitley
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 9:18 am
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Chris, my question would be: Why are you trying to limit me just because you like the standard tuning?
IOW, you like/want to stay with the basic tuning, that works for me. But I tire a little of being accused of not knowing all the basic tuning can offer with my "upstart" setup. I may not share the types of music you play but regardless I have the right to do things as I please just as you do.
Just asking to stop with the judgmental views, that's all. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 9:32 am
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| i was simply asking a question, dg. i think you're reading too much into it. |
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 10:00 am
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| I understand Chris completely. He is just asking if one has learned all they could and added the change to learn more or if the change was added to get that elusive lick. Pretty basic friendly question. |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 10:20 am
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| I dunno, "...while ignoring the incredible basics available from the old tuning" sounds a bit judgmental to me. "Ignoring"? |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 10:22 am
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| wow! |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 10:54 am
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Chris is a little snarky, but his snark seems to be without malice or judgment. I've found it makes, along with dropping 2 and 9,a cool A Maj7 chord.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Jim Hoke
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 11:27 am
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| Lane, you mean when you only lower the B to A, making that nice close rub between the A and G# (the maj.7th.) That's a good one. These are the kinds of considerations/insights I'm looking for. I put the B to A change on the LKV of my ETS a few days ago (it's pretty easy to work on). One cool thing about having it there is I can engage it w/ my E to F on the LKL, widening the interval between 4 and 5. A bit ungainly, as John said, but if I can get used to it, it could be cool. Having FP at pedal 1 could also work w/ LKL. I just never like LKV's in general.... |
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DG Whitley
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Posted 1 May 2015 4:34 am
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My apologies Chris if I have offended you in any way, it was not my intent. Sometimes no matter how you write it, something comes out the wrong way.
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Tom Quinn
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Posted 1 May 2015 6:16 am
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I think Dr. Ivey's question is legit.
I listen to stuff from the '60s and '70s and hear some incredible picking without the need for a gazillion knee levers and pedals. Truth be known, I have absolutely no idea what a Franklin pedal does.
And being an Emmons P-P player, the thought of redoing the copedent for something new is a bit daunting. I should get an old rack + barrel Bud and give it a shot though...
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Gary Peaslee
From:
Hideaway, TX USA
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Posted 1 May 2015 8:22 pm
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| Jim - you might also consider the effect of the Franklin pedal on cabinet drop. I have heard this is more pronounced on a single neck than a double neck. On a single neck, putting it on the 0 pedal will cause more cabinet drop than on the 4 pedal. This has been my experience which is why I switched mine from pedal 0 to pedal 4. |
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Jim Smith
From:
Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 1 May 2015 9:44 pm
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| Gary Peaslee wrote: |
| Jim - you might also consider the effect of the Franklin pedal on cabinet drop. I have heard this is more pronounced on a single neck than a double neck. On a single neck, putting it on the 0 pedal will cause more cabinet drop than on the 4 pedal. This has been my experience which is why I switched mine from pedal 0 to pedal 4. |
Please explain. I would expect the change on P4 to cause more cabinet drop than on P1, simply because it would be closer to the middle of the guitar and put more force on the body. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 2 May 2015 6:40 am
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| Tom Quinn wrote: |
I think Dr. Ivey's question is legit.
I listen to stuff from the '60s and '70s and hear some incredible picking without the need for a gazillion knee levers and pedals. Truth be known, I have absolutely no idea what a Franklin pedal does. |
I started a couple of years ago on a pull-release D10 and barely scratched the surface of what it could do before I moved on to an all-pull universal. Although I wouldn't want to be without the split tunings it offers, otherwise I have only basic changes and I know they will keep me busy for ever.
Paul Franklin is on record somewhere (if anyone challenges me I can look for it) as saying that his 5 & 6 lower was put on to imitate certain piano licks. At present I feel no urge to sound like a piano - I'm busy enough trying to sound like a pedal steel. YMMV - PF's did, obviously.
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Hal Braun
From:
Eustis, Florida, USA
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Posted 2 May 2015 8:19 am
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| Brint Hannay wrote: |
| I dunno, "...while ignoring the incredible basics available from the old tuning" sounds a bit judgmental to me. "Ignoring"? |
I am kind of in agreement with the above. It also sounded to me a little like "if you cant play the snot out of the old tuning, why are you bothering with something else?"
Of course, if you take that to the beginning, we would all be playing 6 string lap steels right? Someone said, damn, I want to do something more.. and added a pull, then another.. just look at the advancement of the steel as an instrument.
I think the original question was a legitimate question, and if you dont have a helpful opinion for, replies that make the OP feel dopey are unnecessary.. and I dont think he was reading too much into it.. it came across that way.
That said, I am sure Chris did not mean anything nasty by the comment.. and he is welcome to his opinion. I have never met him, sure he is a nice guy, but sometimes his replies make you wonder if he would say it in person the same way. And if he does, he is probably smiling, which I cant see from my keyboard 
Me, I just ordered a new Williams S12, and Bill is putting a Franklin pedal in the "0" or as he calls it.. the number one position Will figure out if I like it when I get it! |
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Richard Sinkler
From:
aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 2 May 2015 9:48 am
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I have tried it both in the P0 & P4 position. I play "Day" style, so the 4th pedal, next to the A pedal was the most logical, and comfortable, place for me. I never used it, so I took it off for changes that I actually use. I do not have any changes on my 0 pedal right now, and may put the Franklin pedal back on there. Since I do lower the 6th to F# on a lever, I may try just dropping 5 & 10 to A. I'm just leary of being able to hit both the pedal and lever together as smootly as the changes all being on one pedal. But I don't know if I don't try. I often find myself on the 10th string, having to move my bar down to get the whole tone drop, which isn't bad, but a pedal drop might be nice.
As far as Chris' comments, I didn't interpret it as talking down to anyone. After 44 years, I know I have not mastered the original old changes. I put on "extra" changes because I want something that the original tuning/pedals does not offer me, is easier with an added pedal/lever or I can't find another way to play what I want. Sometimes, as in the use of the Franklin pedal, we put it on to try to get the things that Paul, or others, get on the songs we have to play in a band situation. My guitar is loaded up with 9 pedals and 9 knee levers, and I use them all at times, with the zero pedal sometimes being an exception if I don't have anything on it. Do I ALWAYS use every pedal and lever? No.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 2 May 2015 12:37 pm here we go
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gee, it's getting so anything you say on here is over-scrutinized and misconstrued. granted , without vocal inflection, you can consider all possibilities the words 'may' mean. that's the fun of it, isn't it? i try to avoid the modern teenybopper version of this...emoticons.
in 82 i ordered a new zum, the only new guitar i ever could afford. i had extra changes added. one was a franklin used change on the c6 that had 4 changes on one pedal. i never got comfy with it, but i'm glad i got it. i took the rods off and ended up having some good extra hardware to experiment with in other places.
looking forward to hearing all the cool stuff everyone is coming up with due to the 'new' changes! |
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Gary Lee Gimble
From:
Fredericksburg, VA.
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