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Topic: Steels with 4+ raises? |
John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 4:51 pm |
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My beloved pre-RP Mullen D12, capable of 3 raises/2 lowers, is maxed out on strings 1 and 5, with 4 raises now with the help of 2 Tom Bradshaw pull-add gizmos, but pedal action is suffering pretty badly now. I use those compensator raises to keep my chords in more-perfect tune, and I'm reluctant to remove them.
So I conclude my next steel should be capable of at least 4 raises and 3 lowers. I believe Excel steels can do that, and late model Carters or Magnums had 4R/2L, I believe, but that 2 lower limit won't suit me.
Any other brands you folks know of that I should consider? I'm looking to get an S-12, or SD-12 extended E9, with at least 4 pedals and a boatload of knee levers (Mullen is 9+10).
Tone is also crucial.
Thanks!
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 25 Apr 2015 5:05 pm
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Talk to Kyle. MSA ain't gone under. Pretty sure your best bets are Fuzzy and Kyle.
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 26 Apr 2015 10:18 am
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EXCEL... 
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 26 Apr 2015 4:10 pm
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| Not to sound crazy but if you tune ET you won't need the tuning compensaters! |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 26 Apr 2015 10:53 pm
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Hi John. All the new (post 2000) MSA guitars have 4 raises, 3 lowers, and split screws.
They no longer make the Millennium, but they do offer a D-12.
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Les Cargill
From:
Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2015 3:42 am
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| John Swain wrote: |
| Not to sound crazy but if you tune ET you won't need the tuning compensaters! |
Is this known to be true for a pre-RP Mullen D12? I have an MSA S12 universal and I'd be surprised if it could ever be reliably tuned to pure ET for all pulls. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 27 Apr 2015 3:49 am
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Les, compensators are NOT generally for cabinet drop, but to true non-consonant chords.
So yes, it IS true that ET will prevent the need for compensators.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Craig Baker
From:
Eatonton, Georgia, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Apr 2015 3:50 am
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John,
I realize I don't get out much, but I didn't know there was a special tuning just to play "Waltz Across Texas".
Does it wotk for "Half A Mind" too?
Craig
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Jim Smith
From:
Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2015 7:11 am
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| Mike Perlowin wrote: |
| They no longer make the Millennium, but they do offer a D-12. |
Are you sure about that? When I was offered an opportunity to work for them in the early 2000s, they said they wouldn't hold me to playing one because they didn't make a D-12. I have yet to see one, other than the older models from the 70s and maybe 80s. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 27 Apr 2015 8:03 am
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Things can change in a dozen years, I guess. 
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Lyle Dent
From:
Little Rock ,Arkansas
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Posted 27 Apr 2015 12:32 pm
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John
I know my Mullen and BMI SD-12 with Zane's Becks tuning will do it. Might try a 14 with Julian Tharpes tuning.
Good Luck
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 27 Apr 2015 1:04 pm
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(craig...i got your ET joke!  ) |
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 27 Apr 2015 4:27 pm
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| Craig, I always tune ET to play Almost to Tulsa! |
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Jim Smith
From:
Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2015 9:57 pm
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Thanks Mike, it's nice to see them being made again! I guess they're one of the few companies making D-12s nowadays. |
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David Wright
From:
Pilot Point ,Tx USA.
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Posted 28 Apr 2015 2:13 am
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| yes we do offer D~12... built one last year.... |
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 3 May 2015 4:54 pm
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John Swain: my ears can't take ET tuning, I get as close to it as I can but those pesky 3rds gotta be flat.
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 3 May 2015 5:24 pm
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| someone told me that tuning et makes everything sound equally bad. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 May 2015 5:50 pm
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Indeed. Because otherwise, some things are good and others are DREADFUL.
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