Your E raise and lower on right side anybody?

Bob Snelgrove · From: san jose, ca

Don't know why the original topic was closed. The orginator didn't ask for it to be.

I just wanted to add one more reason why I like the E's split on different legs. I play a lot using strings 8&5 using pedal A and lowering 8. The transition coming off the A pedal and lowering 8 is much smoother with the lower on the right leg. My new Carter has both E's on the left knee and even tho it plays much smoother than my P/P that has the E's split, it's not as easy to get that smooth transaction. Paul?

bob

Marco Schouten · From: Amsterdam, The Netherlands

My guitar came with the E raise and lower on the right side. The lower is on RKL and the raise is on RKL.
I had no problem getting used to it and I think it's easier to play. You have to pay attention to the volume pedal though.

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[This message was edited by Marco Schouten on 14 June 2004 at 10:56 PM.]

Peter · Posted 14 Jun 2004 11:58 pm

quote:
The lower is on RKL and the raise is on RKL.
I had no problem getting used to it and I think it's easier to play.

Easier to play?

Now why am I not surprised?

Ik weet dat Oranje wint vanavond! Good luck, Marco!!!

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George Kimery · From: Limestone, TN, USA

I had the E lowering on RKL and raising on LKL for over 30 years on 2 different guitars. The 74 Emmons PP I got a few months ago was set up the standard Emmons setup, LKR for lowering and LKL for raising. There is quite a few things I play tht I have to very quickly go from the lowering to the raising. It was much easier to do this when I had the splits. It is not such a big deal that I am going to change it, but in my opinion, it is better to have them split.

David Doggett · Posted 15 Jun 2004 5:21 am

My E raise has to be on LKL to work with the A pedal. I have tried the E lower on LKR and RKL. I much prefer it on RKL. That also works better for me on my universal in B6 mode, where I frequently make quick use of the whole step E lower to D on LKR without having to release the half-step E lower on RKL. Also in B6 mode holding the E lower with RKL frees up my left leg and foot to mover around on the B6 pedals. I couldn't imagine doing that with my left foot while holding the E lower with that knee, but some people can do that and like it that way.

[This message was edited by David Doggett on 15 June 2004 at 06:23 AM.]

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

I am one of them

When I first got my 6 pedal universal (now with 7 pedals), it WAS indeed a frustrating thing to have to hold the E's to Eb while playing the B6 pedals. Now it is just as natural and subconscious as I could ever want it. I am not aware of ANY problems with it.

I must tell you though, that IF I had not ordered it with pedal 6 on the right knee, there is NO way I could EVER get used to LKR lowering the E's on a universal.

Since I do not have to rock on and off pedals 5 and 6 (with this setup), it makes it a pleasure. Also, having pedal 6 on RKR, creates great combinations that I could never live without again, since it can be used with every single pedal and most of the knee levers.

Also, regardless of what some have said, I believe there are more combinations available when you raise and lower the E's on the same knee. I can prove it mathematically.

But I also agree 100%, that a smooth transition from one to the other is much better, when they are on separate knees. However, what is more important to me is more combinations. So I have to sacrifice the smooth transition.

I am sure there will be disagreement. But.....

"That is my story and I am sticking to it." Luv ya Paul

carl

Jerry Overstreet · From: Louisville Ky

My first guitar that had multiple Kl's
was a PP Emmons I bought used. The E's lowered on RKL and raised on LKL. The LKR lowered 5 and 10. There were 6 KL's. I really liked the combinations available on these KL's and played like this for about 10 years. Then someone enlightened me to the advantages of having the E raises and lowers on the same knee when I got an all pull guitar. It took years to retrain my knees' memory for these changes and every once in a while, I still find myself battin' the RKL to lower E's. Some gawdawful sounds ensue as a result! Sometimes I think I'd like to go back to having the E changes on separate knees, but that seems to be regressing rather than progressing. I guess everything is a trade-off, but there seems to be more combinations available by having both E's on the left side.

Ad Kersten · From: Beek en Donk, The Netherlands

I have both E-changes on the right knee:
E->Eb on RKR
E->F on RKL
I play E9/B6 Universal and have no problem whatsoever in keeping the RKR lever in constantly when playing the B6th tuning.

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Ben Slaughter · From: Madera, California

Currently I have both E & F levers on the left. The more I play, the more I want that E lever on my right knee. Lowering that I tone when moving to the VImin chord is used soooo often, the transition from that LKR to the A ped for the VI chord is not a smooth one. Would be nice and purdy with the E lever on the right side.

I would change it right now if I had the parts. As soon as I find the parts, I will change it.

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Ricky Littleton · From: Steely-Eyed Missile Man from Cocoa Beach, Florida USA

The first new steel I ordered (an 84 Emmons S-10 p/p) had the E-F on the RKL and the E-D# on the RKR. I ordered it that was because I was used to lowering my low E on that knee on my old blonde Maverick. If nothing else, it sure helped me to learn about volume pedal control!!!! Ha-ha.

Ricky

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[This message was edited by Ricky Littleton on 15 June 2004 at 11:45 AM.]

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Bob, I think it just takes some getting used to. I have no problems at all with the smooth "transitions", and I have the E string levers both on my left knee. A lot of steel players have the levers on the left knee and seem to have no problems. It just takes some time and practice.

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Bob Snelgrove · From: san jose, ca

Rich,

I know it's not really that bad. But like Paul was saying in the first version of this thread, there is a "feel" that you get from having them split. he was talking abot the E's, but last week while switching from the P/P to the Carter, I was very aware of the pedal A, E lower, transition. They say the Carter is easy to work on so I may venture out and try switching them. As far as the extra combinations with the changes on one knee, I'm not good enough or creative enough to tell the difference!

bob

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

A free gift!

As stated above, I ordered the Universal with pedal 6 on RKR. And also how I like it there.

But recently, I realized that there was hidden gold in that lever that I NEVER used. And that is, I always used this lever WHEN the E's were lowered. IE, bringing the 4th string back up to an E note.

Suddenly it dawned on me a few months ago, that IF I didn't lower the E's, pedal 6 (knee lever) would emulate what my F lever does; at least regards the 4th string.

So, I started using it for that smooth transition. Then I noticed something. Not only did it give me the smoothness I had been missing, but the F note (4th string) on THAT knee lever is a tad sharper than on the F lever.

As such, it makes for a richer 7th chord (IMO) when used without the A pedal. So even though I don't have a smooth transition on the 8th string, I now just love having it on the 4th string WITH keeping the raising and lowering of the E's on the same knee for more combinations

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Check it out:



                     LKL   (LOK)    RKR


   1 2 3 4 5 6-7  LKL   LKV LKR  RKL   RKR





F#     F                          G#


D#         E          D     (C#)  E     C# 


G#   A


E            C#F#  F         D#      F(E)


B  C#    C#              A#


G#   A   A#                       F#


F#     F


E                  F         D#      D


B  C#      C          D                 C#


G#   A                B           F#


E      F   D#F#    F 


B      C#  G#      C#                   A

NOTE: Pedal 7 is close to the volume pedal. Used exclusively with the right foot. For Mooney licks; or with A and B down; or for a full 7 note thirteenth chord when in B6 mode, whilst engaging pedals 4 and 5 (Strings 10 thru 4).

"What hath God wrought?"

carl

[This message was edited by C Dixon on 15 June 2004 at 12:14 PM.]

[This message was edited by C Dixon on 15 June 2004 at 12:36 PM.]

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