Copedant

Palmer · From: New Bern,NC,USA

Could anyone help me with the copedant and string gages for a double 8 with 8 pedals and no knees? Thanks, Jack.

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA






         1  2  3  4


.011  G#        A


.014  E   F        Eb               


.018  B      C#


.022p G#        A      


.026w F#


.030  E   F        Eb


.034  D


.036  B      C#





                     5  6  7  8





.014  E                  F


.018  C                     D


.022p A                     B


.026w G               F#


.030  E                  Eb


.036  C                        C#


.042  A


.056  F               F#       E

And good luck, because you are going to need it. IF there is ANY way to add at least one knee lever, (preferably two) do the following:

1. Put pedal 4 on a right knee lever. Add to it the top C to B change on the bottom neck.

2. On the top neck, add the top E to F# and top B to C# change to pedal 4.

(3. Put pedal 1 on a right knee lever.)

(4. Move the changes on pedals 2, 3 and 4 to 1, 2 and 3 respectively; Add a top A to Bb change on the bottom neck to this knee lever; also, add two A to B changes on the bottom neck to pedal 4.)

carl

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C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

b0b,

I am sincerely sorry for soooo many edits to the above post. For some reason EVERY time I reread it, I found yet another error (or two). Do you think I should hang it up? Cuz I am beginning to.

The last thing a beginner or learner needs is some advice with stupid errors in it. Again, I apologize.

carl

Palmer · From: New Bern,NC,USA

Carl, I really appreciate your help with the copedant. Jack

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

I think Carl pretty well nailed it. The only problem might be if the guitar can't both raise and lower a string. If so, it's back to the drawing board on the E9th.

Carl says to raise the low F to F# on pedal 5. I know that's the standard change, but the standard also has a low C string that's raised to D. I'd probably lower the F to D instead of raising it to F#. The low root note is very useful, and it's fun to get below the guitar player once in a while.

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Patrick Ickes · From: Upper Lake, CA USA

Carl,
You are so awesome!!!
What would you recomend for a single neck 8 w/6 pedals?(akaF400) I prefer E tuning, but I can adapt.
Pat

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA






   1  2  3  4  5  6 


 


G#        A


E   F        F#    D#


B      C#    C# A#


G#        A


F#


E   F              D#


D


B      C#       A#

I would do away with the volume pedal (I am serious!). Plant your right foot over pedals 6. Plant your left foot over pedals 2 and 3. Then move one, or both feet (when necessary, to get other combinations such as:

1. 1 and 2

2. 1, 2 and 3

3. 3 and 4

4. 2, 3 and rock on and off 4

5. 3 and 6

6. 2 and 6

7. While holding 6, rock on and off 2 and/or 3

8. 5 and 6

9. Split 5 and 2

10. Split 5 and 2 with 3

Also use any pedal by themselves as needs be.

Note: for whatever its worth, I did this on my F400 (w/6) for years, and played a ton of stuff (not good sadly). Again, IF at all possible, install at least one (preferably 2) right knee lever(s); and put pedal 6 on a knee lever.

(Put pedal one on the other knee lever). Move pedal 5 changes to pedal 6. On pedal 5, lower 3, 4 and 8 a whole tone. (On pedal 1, lower 1 and 4 to a G). As follows:






   1  2  3  4  5  6*     RKL  (RKR)





G#  G     A


E            F#            D#   (F)*     


B      C#    C# A  A#


G#  G     A     F#


F#


E                          D#   (F)


D


B      C#       A  A#

USE a volume pedal with this setup.

* If you own an early F400 with a single raise/single lower changer, you have a problem in double lowers just as you will with the F and the F# raises on string 2. You may have to jury rig a "half-tone" tuner (of sorts) like Emmons' push-pulls had to do, but it can be done. Or, do away with the one you feel you will use the least. Good luck.

And may our precious Lord bring you much joy always as you play it,

carl

Note: The late and incredible Lew Houston played an F400 with 4 pedals using both feet and NO vol pedal. He wrapped his right hand pinky finger around the volume control the entire time he was playing.

What that man could play is mind boggling. A listener would easily swear he was using a volume pedal and a slew of pedals and knee levers.

Of all the players I have ever seen, he was THE most captivating in his unusal style. Incidently, Lou played for Conway Twitty before John Hughey went with him. Now you have something to look forward to. He did it.

SO can you dear friend!!

NOTE 2: If you find you are breaking the 1st string way too often, or worse; cannot even press pedal 3 even one time without breaking it, change to a D9th tuning and add a couple of thousanths two each gauge I listed in my earlier post (on the top neck).

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Patrick Ickes · From: Upper Lake, CA USA

Thanks Carl.
I don't use a volume pedal when I play the Fender 400, so I'm on my way. I've printed your reply and will be morphing it with the similar tuning I have now.
Thanks again for this and all your other posts.

Pat

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