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Topic: question about 3 pulls on 1 knee lever |
Terry Sneed
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Posted 27 May 2004 3:53 pm |
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My 9 and 10 string lowers were on one knee, and my 2nd string lower on another. I would like to have them all on one lever. so I moved my 9th half tone lower to the same lever that lowers my 2nd string (this knee lever is in an easier position to use than the other) and it stiffened up that lever a little. I'm wonderin if I move my 10 string lower to the same lever it would be to stiff. I don't have a pull rod long enough to reach the lever, I'll have to get one.
do ya'll think these three pulls on one lever would be to much?
Terry
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 27 May 2004 4:07 pm
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It's pretty common to lower the 9th string on the same lever that lowers the 2nd. A lot of people use the point where the 9th string kicks in as a "feel stop" to get the D note on the 2nd string, and then lower the 2nd to C# as well.
Adding the 10th string lower into the equation would defeat that. It's hard to feel what's going on when 3 strings are moving by different degrees. I wouldn't do it.
If you don't have a 4th pedal, think about adding the 10th string lower to your "C" pedal. It's nice to get that low A note independent of the 9th string lower. For example, if the 9th string D is the root of a chord, the low A can provide the 5th. Pedals B+C then gives you a very full Dmaj7.
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Terry Sneed
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Arkansas,
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Posted 27 May 2004 5:23 pm
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Thanks Bobby. I have a 4th pedal but it raises 4 and 8 on C6. I'm plannin on buyin a C6 course soon, so I reckon I'll just have to put my 10 string lower on my C pedal.
Terry
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 27 May 2004 7:14 pm
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Thanks Bobby!!! I just did that to my Dekley (put RKR on a 3 & 3 and did the strings 2 & 9 thing) and thought it was neat. I wondered if the half stop I got by accident was for real... Thanks again
Next step is the Franklin Pedal, and based on discussions elsewhere I'm gonna put that in P4 position.[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 27 May 2004 at 08:16 PM.] |
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Graham Griffith
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Tempe, N.S.W., Australia
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Posted 28 May 2004 12:21 am
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In the next couple of days I'll be collecting my Anapeg pedal steel from Noel Anstead. I have one lever which raises my top "E" to "F#", my top "B" to "C#" and my middle "G#" to "A#" ... Noel had trouble getting it smooth. If Noel complains it must be "too much".
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 28 May 2004 1:19 am
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Terry, since you have to get a rod to add the change to your C pedal, why not just get the parts for your 4th pedal and put the "Franklin" changes there? I have 5 pulls on my 4th (3 on E9 and 2 on C6) and the pedal feels fine. Just a thought.
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Terry Sneed
From:
Arkansas,
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Posted 28 May 2004 7:30 am
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Well, that might work better Richard. I really want to lower my 5th on the same pedal as my 10th, instead of the LKV that lowers my 5th now. I hardly ever use that LKV. but, I think the pull rods would be long enough if I hooked to the 4th pedal, and I can use the bell crank that was lowerin my 10 string before, and also use the LKV bell crank. I have a knee lever that lowers the 6 string. I think I'll try that.
thanks for the suggestion.
Terry
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richard burton
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Britain
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Posted 28 May 2004 10:31 am
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Why not put the 10th lower on the LKV along with the existing 5th lower? If you need the 10th lower so bad you'll soon learn to use the LKV.
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Terry Sneed
From:
Arkansas,
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Posted 28 May 2004 11:07 am
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I put the 10 lower on the 4 pedal. will it work to just lower 5 a whole tone on LKV, or would it be best to put it on pedal 4 with the 10th string? I don't have another pull rod long enough to hook it to pedal 4. I'd have to order one.
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 28 May 2004 11:21 am
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Personally, I see the 10th string lower as necessary to extend the range of the E9th. I've never felt the need for the other changes on the so-called "Franklin pedal".
As for splitting it, can you easily reach LKV from P4? I've always found that one to be a real stretch. If LKV is available, why not just put the 10th string lower there?
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Terry Sneed
From:
Arkansas,
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Posted 28 May 2004 12:59 pm
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Bobby, LKV is real easy to reach with pedal 4 on my guitar, the pedal is almost straight in line with LKV, but I'd like to have em on the same lever, so I think I'll just hook 10 to LKV also. I'll try it both ways.
Terry
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session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.
[This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 28 May 2004 at 02:07 PM.] |
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 28 May 2004 6:29 pm
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I don't have the Bobbe Seymour (Z-Lever) on my guitar, but; it's an interesting thought! RKR = Lower #2 (1/2-tone), Lower #9 (1/2-tone) & Raise #7 (1-tone). I know this has no real connection to you inquiry, but; the idea may prove to be a better choice for your time and effort! I don't know from personal experience, but; they say it will get you out of many tight-spots! “Big John”
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Terry Sneed
From:
Arkansas,
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Posted 29 May 2004 9:14 am
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well, I can still raise 7 on my LKL. but I'd have no idea how or when to use the 7 raise.
exactly what can you get with the whole tone raise on 7? or, how about raisin 7 on my LKR, the lever that raises my F# (#1) to G?
anybody do that?
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