1st string raise

Chuck Thompson · From: Illinois, USA

Hey guys. I raise my first string a whole step. I know alot of people raise the first string a half step. Am I missing something? Seems to me what I would use the half step raise for I find 2 frets back using the b pedal and 2nd string lower for the mooney stuff and a+b pedal and first string for a min chord.

I realize every change is a compromise but I would like to hear what people who have tried both changes think. Thanks

Larry Allen · From: Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii

Chuck, I raise #1 a whole , #2 a half, and #7 a whole with my 4th pedal...lots of possibilities...Larry Smile

_________________
Excel steels & Peavey amps,Old Chevys & Motorcycles & Women on the Trashy Side

Alan Bidmade · From: Newcastle upon Tyne UK

How about a 'feel stop' on string 1, giving you both options. I have this on my old 'Frankenbud' thanks to Ron Mawn, Mr UK Sho-Bud on RKL. Half stop raises 1 to G and then full extension gives a full tone lower on string 6 and raises 1 to G#. I'm sure string 2 could be added to this lever, before or after the half stop.
_________________
Ben-Rom #017 'Lorelei', Guild D25, Epiphone 'Joe Pass', Roland 40XL, Hilton VP

First name Alan, but known as Nick

Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

I have the first string full tone raise and second string half tone raise. I used to have the first string 1/2 tone raise but never really used it. I do use the 1st string full tone raise for unison licks with the 3rd string. I also use the first and second string along with the fifth string. If you are at the I position and pick 1,2,5 that is a V chord. Pick 1,2, 5 and then raise the 1st and 2nd string and that moves you from a V to I chord.

Greg Cutshaw · From: Corry, PA, USA

I've got a lot of tabs with sound files for this change, many of them located here:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/E9%201st%202nd%20%207th%20String%20Raise%20Tab.html

I just re-tune at the end plate for a 1/2 tone raise for certain songs. Otherwise I mostly use the whole tone raise on the 1st string.

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

I have both first string changes. The half step raises on 1 & 7 are on my LKV. I use it more than the whole step raise. The whole step raise on 1 and half step raise on 2 are on the pedal to the right of my "A" pedal (I am a Day style player). I use both first string changes so quickly that I couldn't trust a half stop, unless it was really firm, and then I would think it would affect the smoothness of the whole tone raise.
_________________
Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting.

Chuck Thompson · From: Illinois, USA

Thanks for the thoughts guys> Really do appreciate voices of experience. I should have been more clear about my set up too. I do also raise the 2nd string a half step and lower the 6th string a whole step with the b pedal split on that lever.

Greg Cutshaw I do go thru your tabs and files from time to time and there is a 2nd string raise lick that I got from you that I abuse often. Thanks for all that you put out there for us Very Happy

Im not sure if a half stop/feel stop for the 1st string would work on that lever since it also moves other strings. Im not a mechanic so.....

Do any of you guys find that there are licks that just cant be done else where with out the 1st string half step raise? I know of one that I copped from Russ Wever... a rolling banjo sort of scale lick that I can do by moving up to the 2nd string but it is a little tricky if you are playing way up high on the neck.
If there is a ton of stuff that I am missing I would consider putting the half stop on a new knee lever forward of the others I guess. Or maybe just inside the whole step raise lever?

Chuck Thompson · From: Illinois, USA

Richard - thanks - you must have hit enter about the time I started composing the last post. My vert lever is used for 5&10 half step lower. Maybe a lever just inside my whole step raise would do the job.

Curt Trisko · From: St. Paul, Minnesota, USA

Having a first string half-raise forced me to learn to yank on it to get the extra half-step. The people who've heard me do it like the sound and it's fun to do. It makes it sound like a screaming electric guitar, which contrasts with the mechanical precision and uniform timbre of pedal and knee lever action.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Chuck, I have both the full raise (with half raise on 2) on a pedal, and the half raise (with a full lower on 6)on RKL.
While you CAN get the same note as the half step raise on the third string by dropping two frets and hitting B, the notes around it aren't the same.
The A7 (at the nut) has the A pedal pulling 2 up to 3 and the B pedal pulling 7 up to root.
The B7 (at the nut) has the D# lower dropping 4 to 3,and if you want that sound of pulling 2 to 3, you have to drop 2 a whole step and release.
Here's a video I shot on using the whole step raise (with half raise on 2):
http://youtu.be/XUykptG6DBQ

I'll try to find me using the half step raise. Be back in a bit
_________________
2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Half step raise (my LKR) at 1:44 and 3:55 here:
Blues in Bb: http://youtu.be/bWtRNJb973g
Can't recall others, I'm afraid
_________________
2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects

Chuck Thompson · From: Illinois, USA

Hey Lane - thanks for posting those. I like what you have with raising 1+2 on a pedal and then lowering the 2nd string back down to the 7th with the lever. real nice.

With my set up the licks you play on the 2nd vid with the half step raise.... 1st string raise release - 4th string - 5th string a pedal squeeze then 4th string --- I would play back 2 frets 3rd string b pedal and release - 1st string and 2nd string lower and release. Of course I don't have the tonic (3rd string b pedal) like you do in your position.....but........

I was messing around imagining what the half step raise would do for me and I noticed that there is a BIT of a feel on my string 1&2 raise when the 2nd string becomes engaged and the note is very very close to the 1st string half stop!!

It also led me to a different lick from a different view. (for phrasing think "Ba trip-e-let trip-e-let trip-e-let Daaa") - B pedal down... String 6 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 6 -5>>> then squeeze A pedal - 4 - 1 - then A pedal string 5 and sliding up one fret while using my 5th string lower with A pedal split. Very much equal to the 1st string raise! The relevant part is strings 5 and 1 sliding one fret up while engaging the A pedal vert kl split.

Thanks for making me think and finding new things guys! Smile

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

You're welcome. I'm glad they're helpful.
The funny thing is, I don't normally use the raise/lower split as often as that, but I try to play what the song needs, and that song leans so heavily on the dominant 7.
I think I grasp what you're saying, but I'm 600 miles from my guitar.
_________________
2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects

Bill Dobkins · From: Rolla Missouri, USA

Robbie Turner turned me on to the first string raise. I have began to use it a lot. It took a while to get the feel of it. I use it on (Bitter They Are) 2nd verse if you want to take a listen I have in the Steel on the web section.

These kind of threads are so helpful to newbies like me. Thanks.
_________________
Custom Rittenberry SD10
Boss Katana 100 Amp
Positive Grid Spark amp
BJS Bars
Z~Legend Pro,Custom Tele
Honor our Vet's.
Now pass the gravy.

Forum Index > Pedal Steel		Next oldest topic :: Next newest topic

All times are GMT - 8 Hours	Jump to: