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Topic: C6 tuning for a...........newbie.......sorry I know |
Brian Brgant
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Vermont, USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2015 10:43 am |
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O.K. I have searched and searched. 1ST string C6 neck. With a .14 string D is lower(in pitch) than the 2ND string E. Is that the norm? I see some sets come with a .12 for G and others with a .14 for D. Of course everything is optional....... I am looking for the standard or usual tuning/string gauge?
MY guess is the 1ST string is usually a .12 G above(higher in pitch)than the 2ND string E. And that gives you a C major chord as well. D would give you a 9th? |
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Brian Brgant
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Vermont, USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2015 10:58 am
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| ok, never mind. Clearly it is an option. In my upteenth search of strings I see often sets can come with either D or G as a 1ST string option. Probably I will/should delete this thread, and will soon. Just give it a minute to see a few opinions emerge in the advantages of each tuning, other than the obvious Major C or C9 option. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 1 Mar 2015 11:07 am
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The D is more widespread, with the G being more old school western swing.
If you raise 3 (and perhaps 7) to C#, hitting that change plus P5 will give you an A6 with a 5 on top, starting with 2 on down.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 1 Mar 2015 12:25 pm
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If you're not sure whether you prefer D or G, you can put a .012" on and tune it to either. The D you get is a bit flabby, but it gives you an idea of how it works, if not exactly how it sounds. I opted for D in the end as I wanted to tackle Buddy Emmons' Basic C6 course which uses it. I use a .015"
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Brian Brgant
From:
Vermont, USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2015 5:21 pm
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| And the D you get is in fact lower than the E on 2ND string, correct? |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 1 Mar 2015 5:29 pm
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Yes. It's reentrant, like the first two on the E9th neck
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 1 Mar 2015 8:27 pm
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"Reentrant;" I like it. It's a really cool word. 
In 1977 Paul Franklin Jr. told me that having a D note on S.1 of the C6 is essential for playing "modern music" (I interpret to mean jazz, funk, soul, rock), and music in a minor key. I put it on then and haven't looked back. It's necessary for what I play and my four C6 courses require the D note. I also have a D note on s.1 on my non-pedal guitars.
I have a lever that raises s.3 one-half tone to C#, but Jim Loessberg doesn't have that change and he does quite well, thank you very much , on any kind of music on that tuning.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 2 Mar 2015 5:15 am
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I need it because I'm no Jim Loessberg. 
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 2 Mar 2015 8:12 am
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When I cited Buddy Emmons I should have given Herb a mention too - apologies. I have one of his C6 books and I shall get more.
"Re-entrant" (which I feel should be hyphenated) is cool because it is accurate. The usual description of the top strings on the E9 as "chromatic" drives me nuts - they are not chromatic, they are diatonic, which is quite the opposite 
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 2 Mar 2015 10:22 am
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Ian, thanks for the shout out, and I should mention that Jim also has some excellent C6 instruction in his catalog as well.
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Frank Freniere
From:
The First Coast
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Posted 2 Mar 2015 10:46 am
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Doug Jernigan will go from D to G (and back) on the first string in concert depending on the song he's playing.
(Hey Brian, is your last name missing a vowel?) |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 2 Mar 2015 11:42 am
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Brint, sorry about the nausea - hope it passes off soon. Frank, I knew that some players retune the top string but I couldn't think of an example, so thanks for giving one.
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Dustin Rhodes
From:
Owasso OK
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Posted 2 Mar 2015 12:16 pm
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
When I cited Buddy Emmons I should have given Herb a mention too - apologies. I have one of his C6 books and I shall get more.
"Re-entrant" (which I feel should be hyphenated) is cool because it is accurate. The usual description of the top strings on the E9 as "chromatic" drives me nuts - they are not chromatic, they are diatonic, which is quite the opposite |
Having looked into a partially chromatic tuning (E-harp) I think everyone should change the name and count themselves as lucky they're not truly dealing with a chromatic tuning. |
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Brian Brgant
From:
Vermont, USA
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Posted 2 Mar 2015 7:52 pm
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| Frank Freniere wrote: |
(Hey Brian, is your last name missing a vowel?) |
AHH, yea!  When I was born they lost it at the hospital. Or maybe someone stole it. I don't remember, i was just a baby. But they got my Ma, Pa and all my sibs too!!! dirty suckers!  |
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George Redmon
From:
Muskegon & Detroit Michigan.
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Posted 3 Mar 2015 10:39 pm
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| I Have both the D & G on my single 12 keyless. D in position #1, and G in position #2. I guess I'm with the late Herby Wallace, I gotta have that G. I do use the G string more then the D string. And I play "Modern Music".....I think?? |
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