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Topic: Help with this string sequence and picking order |
Jason Bergeron
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Posted 27 Feb 2015 3:43 pm |
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Hello my fellow steel players!
I have been practicing for about a month or so and have learned simple versions of two Cajun songs so far.
Recently, I have been practicing "Chere Tout Tout". I was able to figure it out by listening to my strings as well as watching a clip of my father.
I would like to learn the sequence that he is using at the beginning of the ride. From what I have learned from my mentor, Mitchell Schexnyder, he is most likely using strings 1-4 on the G7th tuning. When listening, I hear 5 notes and figure those to be strings 1, 4, 3, 2, 1.
My question is, what would be, for the lack of a better term, an ethical way of picking this sequence? For most of my picking, I am using my thumb and index finger.
I will attach a clip of my father playing the song as well as a clip of myself with what I was able to come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzDss6jjgUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtCRcCzmK3E
Any input will be greatly appreciated!
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Donny Hinson
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Posted 28 Feb 2015 10:18 am
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You're only doing a bar pull-off on one string, whereas your father was doing a pull-off on 2 strings. I don't know anything about a G7th tuning, but what you're doing can be done just as well on the standard E9th.
To get a better idea of what is going on, use the youtube settings "speed control". (The little gear-wheel next to the rectangular box in the bottom right of the youtube window.) Slow the speed down to .5 and it will play at half speed, but the pitch will not change! . That may make it easier for you to see what is going on. 
Lastly, I don't mean to be cruel, but if the teacher you are using can't do this stuff, and show you how to do it, you need to find another teacher...preferably one who knows how to play Ralph Mooney style. This is pretty basic stuff, so specific fingerings and tunings are irrelevant. |
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2015 10:45 am
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
You're only doing a bar pull-off on one string, whereas your father was doing a pull-off on 2 strings. I don't know anything about a G7th tuning, but what you're doing can be done just as well on the standard E9th.
To get a better idea of what is going on, use the youtube settings "speed control". (The little gear-wheel next to the rectangular box in the bottom right of the youtube window.) Slow the speed down to .5 and it will play at half speed, but the pitch will not change! . That may make it easier for you to see what is going on.
Lastly, I don't mean to be cruel, but if the teacher you are using can't do this stuff, and show you how to do it, you need to find another teacher...preferably one who knows how to play Ralph Mooney style. This is pretty basic stuff, so specific fingerings and tunings are irrelevant. |
Thanks for the tip on slowing down the clip! I'm sure my steel teacher can, it's just that he lives too far away for us to have one on one lessons and we're using Skype. I'm sure he can do all the basic stuff and more, but he's starting out slow with me. I learned this song basically on my own, applying what he has taught me so far.
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 28 Feb 2015 5:07 pm
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| for figuring it out on your own, you're on the right track. keep at it! |
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2015 5:13 pm
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| chris ivey wrote: |
| for figuring it out on your own, you're on the right track. keep at it! |
Thanks Chris! Not too bad considering I don't know much about music. This is so much fun! So far, I have yet to even get frustrated with it!
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2015 5:17 pm
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Mr. Marty Broussard and Mr. David Higginbotham, I'd like to get y'alls input on this topic, if y'all have a chance to give me some tips.
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 2 Mar 2015 7:07 pm Anyone else?
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Anyone else have any ideas?
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Marty Broussard
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Broussard, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2015 9:38 am
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Hi Jason, I agree with Donnie If you slow it down you'll likely hear that he is also hammering on/pulling off of the 2nd string before moving on to the first string. (Almost EVERY Cajun player uses that or something similar ). Secondly, your personal fingering sequence will come with practice, BUT most of the Cajun players do it with 2 fingers.
Note: what ur doing now leading up to the 1st string works.....just try doing the same thing but place the bar on the second string at the second fret BEFORE you start the lick, then when u get to the second string just pull off of it and proceed to the first string.... Hope that makes sense and helps.......I'm pretty sure it will still be in the correct timing too..... I can't post tab using my iPhone or I'd post something for you.....but mess around with that concept and something good should spring from it after awhile.
Best intentions and take care
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Dick Sexton
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Posted 7 Mar 2015 10:16 am Wow!
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Jason, how lucky and fortunate is that, to have videos of your dad playing the style you want to learn. I wish mine had played, so I could have that to live up to or emulate.
I think Marty is spot on, start slow and work it out. Haha, mon ami! It only magic! |
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2015 2:06 pm Merci Beaucoup!
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Thanks a million, Mr. Marty! That helps a lot! I was wondering how to fill in the sound...was thinking I had to hammer on/pull off on strings 1 and 4 because they're both tuned to G, but it never sounded right! What you say makes perfect sense! Do you agree that he is picking strings 1, 4, 3, 2, 1 to start the lick?
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2015 2:27 pm
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Mr. Sexton,
I agree! Having these videos do help tremendously, but having a former student of my father's, such as Mr. Marty giving me tips helps even more! Dad taught him how to play when he was around 11 years old! That's the age that he started teaching me, but the Lord called him home soon after.
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Dick Sexton
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Posted 7 Mar 2015 2:30 pm
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| Having a student of your fathers, like Marty, to help and share what your father shared with him. Very special. Sorry to hear he passed so soon. I can tell from the videos he loved the steel, the music and obviously, helping others learn the steel. Must have been a very special person... |
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