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Frank James Pracher


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Post  Posted 27 Feb 2015 9:42 pm    
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What the heck are those things clamped to the tuners?

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Doug Beaumier


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Post  Posted 27 Feb 2015 10:32 pm    
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Interesting... I've never seen that before. They are an Oahu Co. product. Looks like two lock-down clamps to hold the tuner shafts tight. Each clamp has three thumbscrews. Evidently when the guitar is in tune you tighten the clamps to keep the tuners from turning!


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Charlie McDonald


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Post  Posted 28 Feb 2015 3:27 am    
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Now there's a tuning solution.
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Dan Mahoney

 

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Post  Posted 28 Feb 2015 6:34 am    
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Could they be tuner locks for student models? Like the Magnatone student models that didn't have knobs on the tuners - you needed to use a hex key to tune it so only the teacher could tune it.
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Jerome Hawkes


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Post  Posted 28 Feb 2015 6:56 am    
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i would say this was sold as an accessory to students but were soon tossed because they didn't work / were no longer needed.
think of these as similar to training wheels on a bike.
the concept here is obvious, and i think Dan hit on the idea. for a student of a stringed instrument, the early issue is the student doesn't know how to tune the instrument and must depend on someone to tune it. back then you just had a tuning fork or a pitch pipe - both of little use to a new student. you can imagine the number of broken strings as kids try to match a pitch. tuning a string instrument in itself is fairly advanced ear training for a beginner.

so the teacher would tune the steel at the lesson and lock the tuners so the student could practice his lessons over the week, or what ever time between lessons.

those clamps are not going to keep the guitar in tune - but they do keep kids from messing with the tuners and throwing it out of tune. "i can't practice cause my guitar is out of tune" - haha thats one way to get out of practice Laughing
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Tom Pettingill


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Post  Posted 28 Feb 2015 7:28 am    
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When I first saw it I thought it may be something to do with the tuning changer and locking the tuners, but Dan and Jerome's take sure makes a lot of sense too. Its easy to forget those long ago days working with tuning forks and pitch pipes.
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Erv Niehaus


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Post  Posted 28 Feb 2015 9:04 am    
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When I get my guitar in tune I just weld them in place, but this might be a better solution. Whoa!
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Charlie McDonald


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Post  Posted 28 Feb 2015 9:39 am    
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I mean, when they're you original strings, why not?
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Dick Chapple Sr

 

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Hardin Montana, USA
Post  Posted 28 Feb 2015 10:34 am     tuner locks
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Not that I see any reason for it but curious if the tuner lock bottoms make the head stock with keys level with the rest of the guitar so it can be played on a flat surface.
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Jerome Hawkes


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Post  Posted 28 Feb 2015 11:05 am    
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Tom Pettingill wrote:
When I first saw it I thought it may be something to do with the tuning changer and locking the tuners,


it well may be something to do with the triplex model. an early version of the Floyd Rose locking nut concept - though i don't see this as a solution for that - locking the key shafts aren't going to keep it in tune while using the changer. i guess more triplexes would need to show up with these to start to get an idea of if these just came with that model.

i was assuming this was some accessory geared for beginners, but who knows....they are clearly branded OAHU, which isn't National, and was geared toward beginners, so i'm thinking its still along the student tuning issue.
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Frank James Pracher


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Post  Posted 28 Feb 2015 12:18 pm    
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Jerome Hawkes wrote:


an early version of the Floyd Rose locking nut concept


That's what came to my mind, or maybe as a way of showcasing the Triplex tuning changer.

Probably just a way to keep students from messing things up too bad.
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Frank James Pracher


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Post  Posted 28 Feb 2015 12:23 pm    
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.......or maybe.....and this just occurred to me...........maybe the tuners can actually turn, and it's a device to protect tuner shafts from being bent.
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Doug Beaumier


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Post  Posted 1 Mar 2015 10:51 am    
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Whatever it's function, it didn't catch on (no pun). I've never seen one before. I agree that it may have been made specifically for the National Triplex Chord Changer lap steel. I've owned three or four of those lap steels in the past and the 3-way lever didn't work very well on any of them. Re-tuning with the pegs, the normal way, was more accurate.
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