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Topic: carl dixon and E9 changes |
bob grossman
From:
Visalia CA USA
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Posted 10 May 2004 5:41 am |
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Carl:
You think (E9) raising 1 and 7 a whole tone and 2 one half tone is rapidly becoming a standard. Maybe there are things to do with this change that don't occur to me. It is a unison lick pedal, expecially with the F#-G# and a M7 with "A" and "B". I don't get the Eb to E part (I do have it).
What are some of the other wonders? I have the "Frankin P4" on P1 and I'm glad I put it on.
There's gotta be a limit somewhere. How about cable pulls from a swivel chair...one on each side and one that operates by reariong back in the chair? But..I can recall when I thought the first knee lever was crazy. Why, I could get the same thing by pushing these two pedals and this other one - problem was, too difficult to execute. KL's sure made it easier. Before that, I had a Wright with 12 floor pedals.
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 10 May 2004 6:24 am
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| "What are some of the other wonders?" |
1. Raising the 5th string to a D.
2. Lowering the 6th string to an E.
3. Raising the 9th string to a D#.
4. Raising the 6th string to a B.
5. Lowering 1 and 7 to an F.
All of these have been tried. The only one that interests me so far is the last one. I believe it has a lot going for it. Used when the E's are lowered mimics that all important 5th pedal on the C neck. The others probably fall more into the "lick" scenario.
"Unison notes"? Not so sure that is how they are going to evolve in the future. Its more "resolving" than "unison" I believe. Just as raising the B's to C# is more resolve and moving tone than going from one note to the other.
Bud Isaacs did something no previous pedal steel guitarist had done IMO. IE, he used the pedals in a moving tone style rather than to just change the tuning; or to get "that" chord.
This moving tone has such an allure IMO, that anytime it can be used, it finds favor in the world of the PSG as we know it. Thus the PF pedal and the knee lever raising 1 and 7 a whole tone and raising 2 a half a tone.
Just as a single example, try the following since you have the change on string 2. Pick strings 2, 3 and 5 with the 2nd string lowered to a D note. As the strings sustain, let off the D and engage A and B and raise the 2nd string to an E.
This unusual moving tone resolve (V7 to I) is very nice to listen to and when played at the right place and right time gives yet another PSG embellishment that few other (if any) instruments can get.
This is also true for the other two changes on the PF knee lever. So IMO, it is NOT the notes, but how they resolve and voice music so they are pleasant to the ear. As are most other changes on the E9th neck including the PF pedal 4.
I am delighted to see these changes come into vogue, for I believe it keeps our instrument from becoming stagnant. We are blessed with truly the world's most incredible instrument since it affords us the luxury of ever pioneering the world of music in an exclusionary way.
carl |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 10 May 2004 8:35 am
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The unison lick is a by-product of the lever, not it's primary function.
The lever is a I-IV or V-I change on the top two strings. It's like the A+B pedals on different strings.
Also, it can give you a very nice major 7th with pedals down, using the 1st and 2nd strings instead of the 3rd and 4th.
Anchor your thumb on string 5 and your two fingers on strings 1 and 2, and then play around with the lever a bit over some chord changes in the I and IV positions. That's the sound!
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Bengt Erlandsen
From:
Brekstad, NORWAY
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Posted 10 May 2004 9:00 am
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There is also...
6th string G# - A# (best on he R-knee so it can be used together w A+B and/or Es to F or Es to Eb)
or 8th string E-F# (split tuned w Es-Eb) (either on the R-knee) or the LKV(at the expence of B-Bb)
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 10 May 2004 9:16 am
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| Raising the 7th string a whole tone is very usable to me. For one thing it gives you (in the open position) the same sound as you get when you hold down the B pedal and rock on and off the A pedal. Also you can get the intro lick to the Eagles "Take it Easy" in the open G at the 3rd fret very easily with this change and it sounds better than the guitar doing it. With the E's lowered there's even more. It pulls the 5 of the scale to the 6 and by letting off your E to Eb lever along with it gives you a I to IV change which sounds nice. I use the change a lot in uptempo bluegrass type things such as "L'il Liza Jane". Rest your fingers on strings 4 & 5 and start by raising the 7th a whole tone and letting off. You'll hear the melody if you're familiar with this tune. You can also do a nice rendition of "Last Date" with this 7th string change and your E to D# knee lever by staying mostly on strings 4 and 7. Have a good 'un...JH |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 10 May 2004 1:19 pm
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| I use that 7th string change a lot, too. Also, as a V to I on strings 7 and 8, as I release the E lower lever. |
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Jimmie Brown
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Fayetteville, NC, USA
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Posted 12 May 2004 6:24 pm
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can anyone give and example of how you would use the #1 and #7 raise from F# to G#
Jimmie |
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 12 May 2004 6:47 pm
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This is not the way others use it (I don't believe), but I use the raise on 7 in conjunction with the E's to Eb lever. IE, pick strings 4 and 7 with the E's lowered, then as I raise 7 a whole tone I let off the E to Eb lever letting it resolve.
This gives a great I to IV change using open harmony of an inverse minor third to a major third. IE, B to E (and back if you like).
I use string number 1 whole tone raise as a major 7th with A and B engaged. Also use the F# to G# pull as moving tones while sustaining other strings like string 5.
It can also be used as unison notes on string 1 and 3 and then let off the knee lever as one of the unison notes move while the other one sustains. It is pretty when used at the right time and place. PF does this a lot on many records.
carl |
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Jimmie Brown
From:
Fayetteville, NC, USA
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Posted 13 May 2004 4:18 pm
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thanks a bunch Carl.I just added the pulls on a forth floor pedal yesterday and will try some those things you mentioned.
Jimmie |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 15 May 2004 9:38 am
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| I use it that way a lot too, Carl. |
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