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Topic: Carl Dixon....Question on Dissonance |
bob grossman
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Visalia CA USA
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Posted 8 May 2004 7:26 am |
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Carl:
I always appreciate your posts on chords, etc. along with Jeff Lampert, John Steele, Ed Packard et al.
I raise and lower both A's 1/2 tone (C6 of course) as I like the voicing with the lower notes also. You mentioned that BE only changes the top A as he uses the lower octave note with the raised or lowered top A.
Could you give me an example or two?
Keep 'em coming. I'm trying to figure out Jeff Lampert's Danny Boy and not doing that well at all. I don't necessarily want to play it all - but I want to know HOW to.
Usually, I can figure the stuff of others out, but I had to write Doug J. and ask about some of the chords in his "Doug's Blues" and "Summertime". Gotta use 3 changes, one of which is to raise the lower E to F.
Why does there seem to be such a tendency to have only 8 floor pedals? There is other stuff out there as you obviously know due to your three-way pedals and KL's. Do you have that now? |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 8 May 2004 8:11 am
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When you think of your low A as the root build chords up from there, your levers can give you the maj7 and b9 notes on the high A string.
For example, pedal 8 plus A-Bb gives you A7b9, a very common jazz chord. If your A-Bb is raising both A's, you won't get the root note of that chord.
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Buddy Emmons
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Hermitage, TN USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 8 May 2004 8:39 am
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| bob... Here are four. Using it alone gives you a minor Major 7. Using it with the knee that drops the C ½ adds a 9th to the minor Major 7. Used with pedal 5, gives you a 9th with whole tone and augmented intervals on the top end. With pedal 5 and the knee that drops the C ½ you have a 13th with an augmented 11th. |
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 8 May 2004 11:42 am
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What they said 
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| "Why does there seem to be such a tendency to have only 8 floor pedals? There is other stuff out there as you obviously know due to your three-way pedals and KL's. Do you have that now?" |
Bob, the following is my take on it. There is NO virtue in less OR more pedals/KL's per se!
However, the "standard" 8 and 4 gives soooooo very much, that for many players it is pretty close to being 100% adaquate.
But as time goes by, and as steel playing styles change and players become more cultured musically, I predict other changes will become standard. We already see several fast emerging.
IE, lowering the B to Bb on E9th (LKV) will be standard very soon IMO. Also the PF pedal and the knee lever that raises 1 and 7 a whole tone and raises 2 a half a tone will be standard in the not two distant future I believe.
As will be the two "extra" knee levers on the C neck like Buddy has and we been talkin about in this and other threads. I see another change on C6 that will be standard one day (IMO), and that is lowering the 5th string a whole tone. This opens up many things especially if it is accompanied with lowering of the 6th string a whole tone.
As to more pedals, not sure about it. Maybe a 9th pedal might become standard. Again not sure. A vertical and a 2nd LKL for C6 might emerge before another floor pedal. Knee levers have such a unique place and have distinct advantages over pedals. But again not sure.
As to your other question. I am sad to say, I have not touched it since I came home from StLouis last year. There are personal reasons not associated with the steel guitar that have radically changed my lifestyle in the last 8 mos or so.
Thanks for asking dear friend,
carl |
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bob grossman
From:
Visalia CA USA
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Posted 9 May 2004 5:27 am
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Thanks b0b, Buddy, and Carl.
Carl, I do lower the G to F on RKL along with the Eb/D/Db change on E9. The half stop works out to give a pretty good F#. A duplicate, yes, but it can work with other stuff.
Also lower the lower E str. to D. I had to throw it on with the "C" pedal. Two 6/9 chords. |
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Rick Schmidt
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Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 9 May 2004 10:19 am
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I agree that on any standard setup there's a lifetime of music to be had. But if you feel a need to achieve some harmonic yearning that you just cant find anywhere after years of looking, then it's time to add more stuff. In my case, I wanted to play full voiced chords on steel that were a big part of my guitar and piano chord melody bag.
For starters I added a C6 pedal that lowers the low F to D. That in conjuntion with a couple other KL changes totaly rocked my world. This change really has no use in the standard werstern swing, hawaiian, or 30's & 40's jazz that the C6 tuning is known for, but it does wonders for what I want to hear. I think Curly and a couple other guys have low D's somewhere in their tuning, so it's not just my idea. My point is that the steel is still an instrument that you can customise to suit YOUR own musical needs. I personally hope it never becomes standardized. |
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 9 May 2004 10:58 am
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| If the pedals, etc., become standardized then wouldn't tablature follow and make it easier for everyone? |
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David L. Donald
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Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 10 May 2004 4:07 am
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I like this idea Carl put up :
lowering the 5th string a whole tone.
lowering of the 6th string a whole tone.
DFAC(E or C-B) FACE(G or D or C-B) right off the bat.
It also adds some good jazz chords with some pedals.
I can see this on pedal 9 or another lever.
But I still see the need for my relative minor lever combination. Lower 3rds 2+6, 1, raise 6ths 4+8, 1.
Though I do see b0b's's point about only the upper 6th. I get more milage from a full relative minor chord.[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 10 May 2004 at 08:17 AM.] |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 10 May 2004 8:30 am
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Actually, I raise and lower both A strings together. I understand the advantages of moving only the high A, but I don't play jazz. I have more uses for the consonant sounds than the dissonant ones.
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Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6),
Roland Handsonic, Line 6 Variax |
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