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John Booth
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 1:45 pm |
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Guys,
This is what I have: a Sho~Bud Custom Pro II model 6155 made March 1973
I'm trying to learn what the model #s mean. I see lots of numbers but would like to know more. Is there a way to see the diff between the model #s?
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Jb in Ohio
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GFI S10 Ultra, Telecaster, a Hound Dog, and an Annoyed Wife
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Ian Worley
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 2:59 pm
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This came from a web page that seems to dead now, but I saved it at one point so here you go:
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Field Guide to Sho-Bud Pedal Steel Guitars
Compiled by Duane Becker
The following lists briefly the different models of pedal steels that Sho-Bud produced through the years.
The dates given for one particular model sometimes overlap into the dates of another model. For example, the Permanent model was continued to be built and sold for a number of years well into the Fingertip era.
Every effort has been made to assure accuracy in the dates and information given. This in itself has been extremely difficult to do because nothing has never been published or written about Sho-Bud, whether it be the company or the models of pedal steels-other than the individual brochures from Sho-Bud. What I had to rely on was employees memories, and those memories are fading fast. Basically its been more than 20 years ago since this stuff happened and its reasonable to assume that people may not remember details that far back in time.
As I compiled the information, I often encountered conflicts in details and facts. I attempted to resolve the conflict by the corroboration of at least three sources. If confirmation was impossible and not critical to the presentation of the material, the information was either excluded or an approximation noted. Volumes could be written about Sho-Bud, and what is presented here is by no means a finished work.
I am continually adding to my notes and information about Sho-Bud. Attempts to contact long time employees and Jackson family members to interview will continue and the information presented here will be updated and added to when needed.
Duane Becker
The Sho-Bud Models in Chronological Order
1) THE PERMANENT
These were the first pedal steels built by Sho-Bud. Starting out in 1957, Shot Jackson and Buddy Emmons began building cabinets and assembling the pedal mechanism in Madison, Tennessee, just north of Nashville. The cabinets of the first several Permanents were all wood with no metal end plates. Soon after though metal end plates were added to the production. The undercarriage parts were welded together and the pedal setups, unlike today, could not be changed. Eight string, and later nine string cabinets were made with pedals, and by late 1958, the three pedals that we know today on the E9, became standard. Shortly after, the permanent model evolved to the standard ten string. The early permanents had no knee levers and basically consisted of raises only on the pedals(which is still the standard E9 three pedal setup today). During the late 1950's and early 1960's, the C6 neck was also evolving, with the Nashville players adding pedals and strings to eventually becoming standard with 10 strings and 5 pedals. As a result, the double neck soon became the norm and many permanent double necks with pedals were produced through these years. It was not uncommon to see a single neck permanent as well. These pedal steels were very well received by the steel players and became very popular. The permanent, sometimes called the Custom, continued to be produced well into the 1960's. Although Shot Jackson and others were adding knee levers to existing steels since the early 1950's, knee levers were pretty much standard on the Sho-Buds by 1964. Even earlier than this, around 1962 or '63, knee levers were starting to gain in popularity.
Up to this time, steel players sat on a regular chair, piano stool, or bench. With the addition of the knee levers, players found it sometimes difficult to set at the pedal steel and reach the knee levers and pedals all at the same time. Long time Sho-Bud employee, Duane Marrs came up with the idea of a seat specially designed for the pedal steel guitarist. Some what higher than the average chair or stool, this seat was the perfect height for playing the pedal steel. Duane Marrs built a prototype seat that included a storage compartment and called it the pack-a-seat. When Duane approached Shot Jackson about the idea of manufacturing the pack-a-seat that he had invented, they figured out that they would have to charge no less than $35 to cover the expenses to build it. No one thought that the steel players would be interested in such a seat, nor would be willing to pay money for it. But to their surprise, the seat was well received and as knee levers were added to the pedal steels, sales of the pack-a-seat increased and soon became, and still is today, a much needed accessory for the pedal steel guitar.
In Shot's old catalog, the number of necks, strings and pedals affected the price of the Permanent model, because these pedal steels were for the most part, custom built. For a double neck 10 string the price was $480, with extra pedals, $50 each.
2) THE FINGERTIP
Around 1963, production started on the Sho-Bud Fingertip. This model was unique because unlike the Permanent, it was possible to change the pedal setup. It was nicknamed the Universal for this reason, and was basically the start of the all-pull undercarriage system. The Fingertip got its name from the fact that you could tune the pedal raises or lowers with your fingertips. On the end of the changer, slotted, finger turntable screws for each of the strings was used to tune the pedals. The changer was designed in such a way that you could raise and lower the same string if so desired. Additional raises or lowers of the same string had to be adjusted in the undercarriage. Although the setup was easy to change, the guitar was very sensitive. It had to be setup and adjusted perfectly in order to stay in tune. Constant adjustment was pretty much a given. But once it was adjusted correctly, it played and sounded great. It had a wonderful tone. Generally, the Fingertip was standard with one, and then later, two knee levers. In 1964, the Jackson family moved the Sho-Bud company to lower Broadway in downtown Nashville. A full service music store featuring Sho-Bud pedal steels and products was offered. Fingertips and Permanents were built and assembled at this store on lower Broadway. The generally accepted era for the Fingertip was from 1963 to around 1967 or possibly later. Suggested prices for these Fingertips during their production run varied from eight to twelve string; single,double, or triple neck. The type of wood and finish, plus any wood inlay work also affected the price. As the Permanent, the Fingertip was considered a custom pedal steel. But for an example, a double-10 listed at $620 and $50 for each additional pedal or knee lever.
3) THE BALDWIN CROSSOVER
Sho-Bud became involved with the Baldwin Piano and Organ Company because of its large distribution potential. Baldwin wanted Sho-Bud to produce a pedal steel with their name on it to promote sales, and in 1967 the Baldwin Crossover was introduced. This model of pedal steel like the Fingertip had a wonderful rich tone. The guitar was standard with 6 pedals and one knee lever (generally placed on the right knee), although at this time, players were adding knee levers on a regular basis, and it was not uncommon to see two or even three knee levers. The Baldwin Crossover was a double neck with a shift type lever or gear that the player could move. In one position all the pedals would operate the top neck. Moving the shift lever would disengage the pedals from the top neck to the bottom neck(by moving the shift lever, the pedals "crossed over" to the other neck, thus the term "crossover"). In this way, all the pedals could actually be used on both necks just by the flick of the shift lever. This shift lever was positioned on the back side of the pedal steel facing the player. The undercarriage of the Baldwin Crossover was unique in the fact that the pull rods were attached to small metal "baskets". These baskets were connected to the pedal crossrods and bell crank. The guitar had a metal frame that wrapped all the way around the body of the steel. On the front, the frame was on the inside of the body and the actual front was covered with maple. This wrap around metal frame supported the undercarriage. There were two models of Baldwin Crossover available. One was the Regular Baldwin Crossover in which the metal frame was an unpolished black textured-ruff finish. The other model, called the Custom Baldwin Crossover had a smooth polished metal frame. These Baldwins like the Fingertip was sensitive and temperamental in the fact that the tuning and pedal setup up had to be adjusted perfectly in order for it to play right and in tune. When this was done and the guitars were adjusted, both the Fingertip and the Baldwin Crossover played great. The generally excepted Crossover production years were from 1967 to 1970. Suggested retail price of a double neck 10 string, six pedals and one knee lever was$1295 for the maple body in 1970.
4) THE PROFESSIONAL
Around 1970, Sho-Bud introduced the Professional model of pedal steel. The same basic undercarriage design using the small metal baskets on the Baldwin Crossover was used on the Professional model. The Professional was also very similar to the Crossover except having the metal frame and crossover removed. The Professional had a wonderful rich and warm tone. The Professional production era was from 1970 to 1973, and the suggested price at this time was $1450.
5) THE PRO SERIES
Sho-Bud introduced the Pro Series approximately late 1972 with the Pro-II. Although the Pro-I had been around for some time, considered by many to be just a single neck Professional, it was soon called the Pro-I. The Pro-I was standard first with three pedals and one knee lever. The Pro-I and II were a very popular pedal steel for Sho-Bud, however, the Professional model continued to be produced well into 1974. The undercarriage of the Pro II featured rods and bellcranks that replaced the baskets on the Professional model. The early Pro Series as well as the early LDG models used a single raise-single lower changer with any additional raise or lower of the same string provided by a brass tuning collar on the rod. Later the Pro-II employed a double raise-single lower changer. In 1975, Sho-Bud introduced the Pro-III featuring metal necks. The standard changer on the Pro-III was a double raise-double lower. Also, in 1975, the Pro Series body designed changed from a rounded body front to a square front. The floor pedals also changed to a narrow design. This was the start of the Pro/Custom series. Also during this time a new nylon rod tuning changer was introduced on the Pros. This enabled the player to tune all of the pedal/knee raises and lowers at the right end plate which was a great improvement over the changer and undercarriage of the past. As was stated, the Pro-I had been around a number of years before the Pro-II and Pro-III. In the early 1970's, Sho-Buds suggested price list for the Pro-I was $995. In 1976 the Pro-I Custom listed $895 retail. Gretsch in 1981 listed the Pro-I for $1450. The Pro-II in the early 70's listed at $1595. In the 1976 catalog the Pro-II was $1595 retail and the 1981 Gretsch catalog suggested price was $2120. The Pro-III first produced in 1975, had a retail price of $1795 for the Pro-III Custom in 1976, and Gretsch listed it for $2350 in 1981.
6) MAVERICK
Want a pedal steel guitar for just $400? Sho-Buds answer was the Maverick. Designed with 3 foot pedals and one knee lever, the player of this single 10 string model could get most of the Nashville pedal steel sounds. Production started in the very early 1970's and this model was designed with the beginner in mind. The changer and undercarriage was based on the old permanent system and could not be changed. The three foot pedals were standard E9 changes and the one knee lever standard lowered the second string and eighth string one half tone. The first production Mavericks had a solid birdseye maple body with clear lacquer finish, and a raised wood neck with the regular tear drop keyhead. Almost all of these early Mavericks were the clear (blonde) natural finish. Later though, Sho-Bud came up with a way to cut the cost of building the Maverick by covering the unfinished body with a brown wood grained covering. The tear drop keyhead was also changed to an ash tray style keyhead. The Mavericks were popular and many were produced through the years. These models were built pretty much continually from the early 70's on. In the early 1970's, Sho-Buds suggested price for the solid birdseye maple style was $425. A later catalog lists the price for $395. The 1976 catalog suggested price list for the wood grained covered Maverick was $360 retail. Its interesting to note that the Gretsch Company's suggested price list for the same wood grained covered Maverick was $790 in 1981.
7) LDG
Production started around 1973. The idea came from Lloyd Green in the fact that he was not playing the C6 neck too much and wanted the back neck and C6 pedals removed to decrease weight. A soft foam pad was put on the back neck as an arm rest. The first LDG's were basically early Pro-II with the pad installed. Later, the body, undercarriage, changer, and mechanics evolved over time with the Pro-Series and then the Super Pro. The early 1970's suggested price list for an LDG was $1195. The 1976 catalog lists the price at $1195 retail, and Gretsch in 1981 list price was $1720.
8) FENDER/SHO-BUD
In the early 1970's the Fender Guitar Company contracted Sho-Bud to produce a Fender/Sho-Bud pedal steel. This model and the Super Pro were very similar in design except for the body and the key head. The undercarriage was basically the same as used on the future Super Pro. These Fender/Sho-Bud pedal steels had the ash tray Fender style keyhead. The changer used was a triple raise-double lower, and was similar to the Super Pro changer. Other then the changer and undercarriage, this model had a look that was different then the regular Sho-Buds.
9) SUPER PRO
In 1977, the Super Pro was introduced. It was standard as a double wood or metal neck, with 8 pedals and 6 knee levers. This model and the Fender/ShoBud was very similar in design except for the body and the key head. The Super Pro had a streamlined-smaller and thinner body design then the Sho-Bud models of the past. Also, the undercarriage pretty much the same as the Fender/Sho-Bud model, was very different then the past Sho-Bud models. The cross rods on the past models were round. On the Super Pro they were hex shaped. The bell cranks and pedal rods were also of a new design. Small metal tuning rod clips were used to hold the tuning rods onto the bell crank. The floor pedals on the Super Pro were small narrow pedals that had a very different look then the past wide pedal design. The knee lever design changed as well, to a straight narrow lever. The tuning key head was square and blunt on the end instead of the old standard tear drop key head of the past. Clearly, Sho-Bud had a new pedal steel. This new undercarriage design was very popular. After the introduction of the Super Pro, the undercarriage designs of the Pro-Series and the LDG pedal steels changed to the Super Pro style. When the Super Pro was first introduced in 1977, the retail price was $2175. Gretsch in 1981 listed the Super Pro at $2850.
11) SHO-BUD KEYLESS
Although this model was never really produced by Sho-Bud, it is mentioned here because several prototype Keyless pedal steels (Single-10) were made. The Keyless was built to eliminate the raise and lower changer mechanism by using permanent changer fingers at both ends of the guitar. One end to raise and the other end to lower. The Keyless guitar idea never caught on with Sho-Bud and the idea was dropped. Had Sho-Bud continued with the development of the Keyless, they would have no doubt, been successful. Today, many pedal steel manufactures offer keyless models that play and sound great.
12) SUPER PRO II
After the Jackson family sold the Sho-Bud company to Gretsch in 1979, Gretsch came out with a modified version of the Super Pro. Not exactly considered a production run, several Super-Pro-II's were built by the Gretsch company around 1984. The Gretsch price list from 1983 lists the Super Pro-II as a double 10 string, 8 pedals, 6 knee levers with a suggested price of $3530
MODEL NUMBERS FOR SHO-BUD PEDAL STEEL GUITARS
6138 Single Neck 10 strings 3 pedals
6139 Single Neck 10 strings 3 pedals, 1 knee lever
6140 Single Neck 10 strings 6 pedals, no knee lever
6141 Double Neck 6 pedals, 1 knee lever-maple body
6142 Double Neck 6 pedals, 1 knee lever-rosewood body
6143 Professional Model Double Neck 10 strings 8 pedals, 2 knee levers
6148 Pro-I Single Neck 10 strings 3 pedals, 2 knee levers
6150 LDG Single Neck 10 strings 3 pedals, 4 knee levers
6152 Maverick Single Neck 10 strings 3 pedals, 1 knee lever
6155 Pro-II Double Neck 10 strings 8 pedals, 2 knee levers
6160 Pro-I Single Neck 12 string 3 pedals, 4 knee levers
6164 Pro-III Double Neck 10 strings 8 pedals, 4 knee levers
6165 Pro-II Double Neck 12 strings 8 pedals, 4 knee levers
6166 Super Pro Double Neck 10 strings 8 pedals, 6 knee levers
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Michael Yahl
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Troy, Texas!
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 3:12 pm
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This is what I was looking for Ian! For some reason I couldn't find it.
I just posted the model number listing in the Serial Number thread.
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"Don't fergit to kiss yer horse!"
'72 Sho-Bud Professional D10, (in pieces .....), '78 MSA Classic XL D10, '69 Emmons PP, Fender 2000
Peavey Session 500 BW, Crate Digital Modeling Amp
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John Booth
From:
Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 4:08 pm
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Great info. THANKS ! 
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Jb in Ohio
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 4:13 pm
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Hey John...seems to me that 1973 puts you in the professional and older pro2...ive never seen a pro 2 custom from those years unless the custom refers to a special order by customer...as there was a 'the pro 2 custom' model that seems to be prevalent late 75 to 78.
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John Booth
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Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 4:20 pm
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Its a 1x1 changer, barrel with 2 hole pullers
It is 9&5 also - definitely a custom order
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 4:26 pm
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| barrels but not racks, two-hole pullers |
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 5:39 pm
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That guitar is just outside the range of everthing I thought I knew about shobuds.
Possible a converted Professional...and possibly refinished.
Or....if it is all original...an early model body and endplates kept in storage ..but assembled in late 1975.
Regardless...looks to be in great condition all around...and should be a killer guitar by every measure.
Note...a wound 6th string smooths the b pedal change a lot. |
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John Booth
From:
Columbus Ohio, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 5:48 pm
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What else do you guys see?
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 6:02 pm
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| The date seems right to me. The transition to square front and diamond inlays instead of rope was around '75. There are some square fronts that still had the rope inlay. They went first to the 2/1 changer with nylon tuners and set screws on the swivels (no barrels) before the hex cross shafts and cast 5 hole bell cranks etc. like on all the later Pro/Super Pro models. I have a 6160 from '75 that is square front/diamond inlay with 2/1 changer. |
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Michael Yahl
From:
Troy, Texas!
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 6:50 pm
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This is my take....FWIW
This guitar is a Pro II and is consistent with all the details in various threads about these guitars, but, I believe that is has been refinished as I cannot see any cracking in the finish which would be prevalent in a guitar this age, and that's why the decal now says Pro II Custom as it may have been the only decal available at the time it was refinished.
Also, the undercarriage is far too clean, neat, and tidy to be so old. It has been gone through unless it was a closet find that was stored under ideal conditions for the past 40 years. There's no rust on the shafts, no dust, no lube marks or splatter, no tarnishing on the brass, & no extra holes. The finger return springs are rusted slightly but that's because they are extremely difficult to obtain. This is because they are right hand wound which allows the threaded insert in the end of them to be screwed into the spring. Today, almost all springs are left hand wound. I have searched for a source for these springs for years and have yet to find a source. So, they are probably original and give away the age relative to the rest of the undercarriage.
It's looks as though it was built yesterday, but, if it was, there would be a builders/model number tag which is conspicuously missing.
This is not to disparage this guitar in any way as it is SWEET!!! And I wish it were mine. I suspect that it was a Ricky Davis or James Morehead restoration.
After looking at hundreds of pictures of Sho~Buds in my research I have come to adopt the following mantra...
"There are no rules with a Sho~Bud!"
Now, repeat after me...
"There are no rules with a Sho~Bud!"
The safest stance is to not have any preconceived ideas about them because tomorrow you will see something that doesn't conform.
That's my story and I'm, stickin' to it!
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"Don't fergit to kiss yer horse!"
'72 Sho-Bud Professional D10, (in pieces .....), '78 MSA Classic XL D10, '69 Emmons PP, Fender 2000
Peavey Session 500 BW, Crate Digital Modeling Amp
PSG PARTS
http://www.psgparts.com/ |
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Tom Gorr
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 6:58 pm
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The other descrepancy is the stainless rollers rather than brass ones which is period correct to the decal...but not to the serial number.
As good as it gets really...better than original.
Are the tuning rods stainless or aluminum?
What else...blue anodized machine screws holding pickups in rather than stainless. No biggie.
BTW ... that was the best Superbowl game this Canadian remembers... just surprise after surprise... great talent.
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Tom Wolverton
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Posted 1 Feb 2015 7:26 pm
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Yes a great ending to the Super Bowl. Wow.
Anyway, this is a killer ShoBud. What's not to love about it? Are the pickup's truly 3-wire multi-tap PUs?
Gosh, it even looks like RKR works both necks. Sweet !
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 3 Feb 2015 2:51 pm
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why is everybody raving about what is a common model?
it's nice. maybe someone played it and kept it wellmaintained. 
the superbowl was boring until the last quarter.
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Harvey Lamb
From:
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 4 Feb 2015 10:41 am RE: SHO-BUD PRO 11 Custom
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John,
That is pictures of the Bud that I have sent you.
The Serial is # 3294 not in the 6 thousand range , The reason it is in such pristine condition is the person who owned it for all the years never had it away from the house.
Tom you live in Alberta , and I will assume you may have known ( Doug Aman deceased )He was the owner of this Bud and let it go to another friend who just passed away on Nov.22nd 2014. The Bud was stored in its case in a optimal conditions.
I am not sure what your aim was here. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 4 Feb 2015 11:33 am
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It's underside appears to be Roxatone paint. Beautiful guitar. Same condition as my '74 S-10.
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Larry Waisner
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Posted 4 Feb 2015 1:27 pm Pro II Custom
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John What I see is a very well preserved possibly a closet special Sho~Bud. As for the undercarriage it is identical to my 1973 LDG single raise single lower barrel system. Good find Brother!!!
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Harvey Lamb
From:
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 4 Feb 2015 2:55 pm RE: Pro 11 Custom SHO-BUD
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Just a quick update. The guitar was a closet guitar.
Doug Aman who was the original owner was a very good Steel Guitar mechanic and a highly rated PSG player here in western Canada and here in Calgary Alberta as many off his friends can attest to.
As I said before he never had the guitar out of his house as he was an Emmons guy for all his play dates until he became a ZUM STEEL man in later years.
He could strip a guitar down and rebuild to factory specs which he may have done to this one ?? He was the go to guy if you wanted your guitar fixed or upgraded.
So John you will look and see the serial # 3294 when you get the guitar on Friday.
I contacted Ricky Davis and he gave the thumbs up for this guitar and said it should be worth between $2500.00 and 2800.00 US. That is good enough for me as I respect his opinion very much. |
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Harvey Lamb
From:
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 4 Feb 2015 3:21 pm SHO-BUD PRO11 Custom
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Update info for the SHO-BUD PRO11 Custom
Serial # 3294 --- April 1973
Harvey |
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 4 Feb 2015 6:11 pm Re: RE: SHO-BUD PRO 11 Custom
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Tom you live in Alberta , and I will assume you may have known ( Doug Aman deceased )He was the owner of this Bud and let it go to another friend who just passed away on Nov.22nd 2014. The Bud was stored in its case in a optimal conditions.
I am not sure what your aim was here. |
Hi Harvey... I may have met Doug at some of Harold Leach's events a decade and a half or so ago, but otherwise, I haven't been active on the local steel scene until recently. I didn't know this was an Alberta guitar.
As for my aim... the OP wanted to know more about what people thought about this guitar.
I have a 1974 Shobud and researched them as extensively, paid close attention to sales pictures and descriptions and threads on the subject over a few years... and like a lot of folks here, are trying to reconcile what we know of stock shobuds to the decal, model, serial number, and undercarriage details, and show room clean all around.
Whatever this Bud is... its in the era of the most desirable shobud steels, and if I am correct on some observations of undercarriage details, whether stock or not..at least in my semi-observant opinion is really the best of the best of Shobuds as I indicated on a prior reply.
The fact that Ricky Davis puts it at the top of the price levels seen for used shobuds seems to coincide with this view.
No aim other than good ones.
BTW - if you have more steels to sell... let me know... looks like you have a first rate inventory. |
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chris ivey
From:
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Posted 4 Feb 2015 7:10 pm
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| Tom Gorr wrote: |
That guitar is just outside the range of everthing I thought I knew about shobuds.
Possible a converted Professional...and possibly refinished.
Or....if it is all original...an early model body and endplates kept in storage ..but assembled in late 1975.
Regardless...looks to be in great condition all around...and should be a killer guitar by every measure.
Note...a wound 6th string smooths the b pedal change a lot. |
this is probably where the confusion started. |
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 4 Feb 2015 7:16 pm
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Its not unheard of for endplates and bodies to be kept in storage, and assembled at a later date, and completely out of sequence with other endplates and bodies.
I suggested this based on a few of the past Emmons threads dealing with anomalous serial number situations - Jack Strayhorn (iirc) suggested that this practice somewhat accounts for the differences between serial number and guitar configuration.
So... was just searching for answers and explanations like anyone else who is trying to sort out the anomolies.
I wasn't trying to be confusing, was trying to provide potential logic paths to reconciliation and clarification of the information...
Oh well...so goes the wisdom on best intentions.
Thanks for the heads up Chris...
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 4 Feb 2015 9:11 pm
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Ok I'll take a stab at my assessment of this particular Sho~bud; as it is certainly showing to be a very individualized Sho~bud.
I'll just say what I think and my opinion; take it for what ever it's worth.
This is a Sho~bud "Pro~II" not a "The Pro~II Custom".
It has been refinished as the original texture would of had a green tint to it being built in 1973; as shobud put the emerald green tint in the texture of all pro models built that year; the first year of the "LGD MODEL".
Mechanically correct being the Barrel tuning; single/single fingers with two-hole pullers. But rollers have been changed; or made, probably fit better than the brass rollers..ha...and shobud never put those kind of screws to brace the C6 crossbars where they are pulled from. Also the small cut out was filled and textured right there where the changer is underneath and then the now missing raise spring brackets were screwed down and yes no raise springs. Shobud never used those pedal rod attachments (on purpose) for the link rod on LKL; they always used the plastic dowel-ring. The pickups look original for that era but either rewounded without the coil tap wire(don't see red wire if there is one) or rewired; as there's no coiltap switches that came standard.
There's more; but that will get ya started..ha...and I'll tell you; I bet this baby sounds OUT OF THIS WORLD and plays it's A$$ off. NO it's not original off the showroom floor; but Sho~bud was truly a Custom Steel guitar company and so there is nothing wrong with customizing your own steel to make it better for you. I think this Sho~bud is better than what they produced in 1973 and the person that did this work certainly thought so and I agree with him. Anytime I see something I can make fit better; work better; look better; I GO FOR IT....why not?
If this particular as it sits was Green; and I had the money; I would pay over 3000 for it....but I like my dirtbikes RED...not my steels...ha...so it's worth what someone thinks it's worth to them.
Ricky
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 4 Feb 2015 9:31 pm
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Ricky,
When you converted my '74 3 and 1 to 3 and 6 with John's parts, he sent me a "Custom" decal. I didn't use it.
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 5 Feb 2015 6:50 pm
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Hey John; I'm pretty sure it was the water decal and you really don't want to put those on OVER the lacquer and yours certainly did NOT need a refinish/lacquer.
But yes; I have seen refinishes with wrong decals on them; doesn't fool me...but fools alot of folks...ha.
ricky
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