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Topic: A Sad Comment on Modern Country |
Bob Simons
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Kansas City, Mo, USA
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2015 7:48 am |
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Very interesting! Thanks for sharing it.
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Justin Emmert
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Greensboro, NC
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Posted 10 Jan 2015 8:16 am
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| Similar chord structure, but they changed the keys and tempo to match em up. I don't know what the big deal is, lots of songs have the same chord structure. Not saying I like all new country, but it's increased the fan base of country music of a ton of kids. It's pulling them away from rap and I love that. Once they start identifying themselves as fans of country music, they will get a little older and start listening to classic country as they broaden their tastes for the genre. Just my opinion though......... |
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Jim Cohen
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Jason Putnam
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2015 8:25 am
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That is interesting, but I don't think chord structure matters. I think it's the distorted guitars(rock) the drum beats and bass lines(hip hop) that are ruining true country music. 90 percent of the songs on country radio now should be at home on a rock / pop station. I'm not saying it's not good music. It's just not country.
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 10 Jan 2015 8:32 am
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| Ok, I'll say it's not good music. |
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Michael Remming
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Kimberly, Idaho, USA (deceased)
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Posted 10 Jan 2015 9:24 am
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| Bubble Gum Country |
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2015 9:46 am
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Get off my lawn!
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Abe Levy
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California, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2015 9:50 am
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I'm not sure this is a new problem... seems people have been lamenting the passing of country music for a long time. Nowadays people call country from the 60s 'pure' or 'classic'. Here's a Connie Smith album from '67. On the back it reads "Yes I'm tired of watered down country music" and "Yes I'm fed up with city-slicker-style country music". Basically the same complaint, no?
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Jim Kennedy
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Brentwood California, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2015 10:48 am
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To paraphrase Woody Guthrie, change the words, play with the rhythm a little, and you have a new song. Common practice in folk music, and most all contemporary music. How many R&R songs are based on Chuck Berry riffs? Most players, including steel players, learn stock "phrasing and chord progressions." I play a lot of latin music and certain styles like cumbias, rancheras, and boleros, vary so little that only the lyrics change. Two steps and waltzes have pretty tight structures as well. The same can be said about classic country. It is a shame that country has morphed into something akin to 70's southern rock and Jimmy Buffet style drinking songs. Old 12 bar blues and stride piano styles gave birth to rock and R&B. And don't forget money. Only the stuff that has a good chance of making money gets played. If "classic country" had a market, it would still be here.
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Jim Cohen
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Les Cargill
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Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2015 11:57 am
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| Jim Cohen wrote: |
| Yes, there's a reason why they call older country, "3-chord country"... |
Yes, but it wasn't always 3-chord. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Jan 2015 12:57 pm
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That dang oversimplified old-hat stuff
(1928): http://youtu.be/1kSW0YtHg98
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Brian Brgant
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Vermont, USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2015 8:34 am POP County
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| Michael Remming wrote: |
| Bubble Gum Country |
Too Funny, that is exactly what I was thinking. When Rock was developing in the sixties the Pop songs we called Bubble Gum Rock. Aimed at a younger demographic and using formula like lyrics and progressions. We have basically 12 notes to work with and formulas emerge in chord structure and melody.
But when you take cliche lyrics, sung with a country accent by some attractive prop, add fiddle and PSG...............THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT COUNTRY MUSIC IMHO!!!!
At least Garth and Shania, and others of that era could write a good pop song (the beginning of pop county) with diverse subjects and lyrics. Make it swing and give it some guts. Certainly not my favs but they were at least good at what they did and pulled it off. The new $hit is just awful.
Excuse me now while I hop in my pickup truck with the flag on the back......I got to go pick my sweet thing in that tight white tank top. We're headed out to the corn field to meet some friends and have some beers! JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL!!!!!! |
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Larry Bell
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 7:18 am
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Don't look now but . . .
. . . country music being recorded today IS NOT BEING CRAFTED TO SATISFY THE BLUE HAIRED STEEL GUITAR COMMUNITY.
The 30-something to 40-something crowd is NOT looking for pretty country melodies. They want something that allows their wife/GF to show off her new tattoos and boob job. They grew up with 80s-90s rock music and aren't interested in a two step or swing tune.
Several of you have stated the obvious: there is good music and bad music. Only YOU can decide which category fits for a given song or artist. Vote with your pocketbook. Buy what you like and listen to it whenever you want to. Complaining about what they play on the radio and TV is urinating into the breeze.
I play music to supplement my retirement income and will play anything that people will pay for. That's kinda what a professional musician does. I'm a picker, not a band leader, and not a music critic. And I appreciate that Benjamin at the end of the night.
Just my take on it.
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 8:34 am
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Larry points out what Franklin said about the musical train. We all decide when to get off, how far we will ride. Larry plays for the money, I play for enjoyment, we each have our own motivation. The good thing is we all meet here to banter it about!
Cheers!
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 9:13 am
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Music is a business...It's nothing more than 'human adolescent propaghanda' which is marketed to those age groups that 'buy' the most. (it's money) and that's why most songs are about a pick-up truck, trailer house living, and getting drunk or high.
The largest buying age is probably ages 10-25 years old.
WE (older than 25) don't buy much if any downloads of chart music at our age...So they don't worry about US and... they don't need us. 
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John Billings
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 9:41 am
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"Music is a business"
Yup! My best friend is an audio technician in Nashville. He was working for TNN since before they even went on the air. He says that for years all his work orders have come from New York City, not Nashville. |
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 9:57 am
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Connie Smith looked very pretty!
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Curt Trisko
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St. Paul, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 10:16 am
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| Justin Emmert wrote: |
| Similar chord structure, but they changed the keys and tempo to match em up. I don't know what the big deal is, lots of songs have the same chord structure. Not saying I like all new country, but it's increased the fan base of country music of a ton of kids. It's pulling them away from rap and I love that. Once they start identifying themselves as fans of country music, they will get a little older and start listening to classic country as they broaden their tastes for the genre. Just my opinion though......... |
This is a nice thought, but I can't think of anyone that I know who has gotten into classic country this way. There's plenty of people I know who like the newer country music, but none of them have the musical curiosity and appreciation to trace back the development of the genre. Even if they did, it would probably lead back to Jimmy Buffet and 70s rock. How I got into classic country, and how people my age that I know got into classic country was through obscure singer-songwriter hipster-type music, such as Bill Callahan (Smog), and alt-country. |
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Karen Sarkisian
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Boston, MA, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 10:28 am
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wouldnt be so bad if it was all the same GOOD song 
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Glenn Suchan
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Austin, Texas
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 11:55 am
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| John Billings wrote: |
| "Music is a business".... |
In the immortal words of Hunter S. Thompson, “The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.”
Keep on pickin'!
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Kristen Bruno
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Orlando, Florida, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 12:34 pm
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A lot of the stuff they play on "country stations" nowadays is basically pop music with a steel guitar and a dude with a passable country sounding voice (unless he tries to autotune it.) Its made to appeal to both the younger generation and to boot/western wear manufacturers who wouldn't be able to sell anything unless there was some kind of music labeled country for people to get dressed up and dance to. Its not bad for pop music but it should be called for what it is... "pop music with a steel guitar".
And don't even get me started on what is being called "Country Radio Stations"... Yaaaack.
K
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Niels Andrews
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Salinas, California, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 12:42 pm
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I don't care what anybody says about the business side of music, I enjoy the artistry. I have known people that made a living with music and are happy with the choice, then I have seen those that are bitter. For most it is relative to their success.
A wise man once told me "never make your avocation your occupation". Did anyone ever start out in music strictly for the money? If they did the odds were definitely against them especially when your name isn't on the bus.
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 13 Jan 2015 3:28 pm
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| Ha, ha. It's the same CRAP song played over and over again by different people. It's ain't Country Music that's for sure. Ricky Van Shelton can out sing all of them. Same with Mandy Barnett. |
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