Issue with tuning my B pedal

Leo Grassl · From: Madison TN

Ive been tuning my steel tonight. Everything was going fine until I ran into this problem.

When tuning my B pedal I first have the open string in tune. Then I get the pedal in tune. When I release the B pedal the OPEN string stays in tune but when I hit pedal B again it is very flat. Ive been doing this over and over and its driving me crazy. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I should note that when tuning the pedal the Nylon is very sensitive and goes in tune very easilyâ€¦ But it doesn't stay put.

Thanks,

Leo

Jason Putnam · From: Tennessee, USA

Sounds like May need to replace the nylon tuner. How old is the steel??
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Leo Grassl · From: Madison TN

The steel is only two and a half years old. It is a mullen and I sent it back to them three months ago for a overhaul. Maybe it is stripped and I need to replace it?

Jason Putnam · From: Tennessee, USA

That's what it sounds like but I'm no expert. But usually nylon tuners are pretty tight and hard to turn.
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Bobby D. Jones · From: West Virginia, USA

Sounds like the nylon nut is stripped and not holding on the rod threads. I would replace it with a new one. If you have to order some be sure to get the right size inside diameter, They come in 3 different sizes. Check the rod threads for a burr that is destroying the threads in the nylon nut. For a quick emergency temporary repair. Remove the plastic nut, take a piece of sewing thread and cut 4 pieces about an inch long, tie them so the an even end of the threads can be shoved into the nut. Then holding thread put it to the rod and start it on the rod. It may take less or more strands of thread, to fit. Make sure it is a tight fit. Then tune and see if it holds the nut solid on the rod till you get some new ones. If you order get 3 or more and put where handy. Good Luck

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

The nylon nuts are consumables. To check it, swap the nut with one on another pull.
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John Booth · From: Columbus Ohio, USA

I had this problem on an LDG a few years ago. (A few my a$$, it was back in the 80s)
That's when I found out the previous owner had replaced not all, but some
of the nylon tuners with new ones that had a very slightly larger threaded hole.
After a few years the tuner would simply "slip" a few threads under the tension of a pedal pull.
Until then I didn't realize that all nylon tuners were not the same size, nor are the changer rods.
An example is that a Sho~bud changer rod is definitely a larger diameter than a Fessy changer rod.
Not saying one size is better, just that they are not the same.
Also ANY nylon tuner can strip if there is extensive "overtuning" by someone like me who was a newbie at the time.
Just my 2 cents worth guys.
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Gary Reed · Posted 3 Jan 2015 4:09 am

Could it be the mechanism is not returning flush?
If not, push it in.
If this is the case, possibly tighten the spring screw.
Maybe a small drop of oil.

Earnest Bovine · From: Los Angeles CA USA

Try swapping the tuning nut with another nut and see if the problem moves with the nut.

Rick Barnhart · From: Arizona, USA

Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

Sounds to me like an over tune problem. Back off nylon nut til it is not contacting changer and retune you string to open and then press pedal to tune pull.
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Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes.

Charlie McDonald · From: out of the blue

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

Reread his post. Open note stays in tune, but the next use of the pedal, it's flat.
Overtuning would pull the open note sharp.
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More amps than guitars, and not many effects

Charlie McDonald · From: out of the blue

When I had the problem, it seems I re-regulated it down to the pedal, which needed more or less travel, affecting the rest of timing and tuning.
But you're right Lane, it's not that.

James Jacoby · From: Ohio, USA

When I had my Sierra, I had this problem, and it turned out to be a loose bellcrank. My sierra had round cross-shafts, and tightening the clamp screw, fixed it. -Jake-

Bob Cox · From: Buckeye State

Try taking a simple butter knive and run it in between the changer fingers to realiang them . Sometimes they tend to bump there buddy next to them on the way back and stick there. Also make sure you lubricate rollers and changer axel. I have seen rods hanging up underneath being in a bind with another close one.

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