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Topic: Let's hear those fourth pedals! |
John Scanlon
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Posted 2 Dec 2014 8:57 am |
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I know we all discuss the merits of various 4th (and sometimes 5th) pedals on the E9 tuning all the time.
I'd like to hear some licks and phrases from both the Franklin pedal, as well as the pedal (sometimes a "zero pedal") that pulls string 1 a whole step and 2 a half.
Submit some short sound files / YT vids of y'all using these pedals. Let's hear 'em. (I'd start this up, but I honestly never use my fourth Franklin pedal, which is kind of why I'm starting this thread.)
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John Scanlon
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Posted 2 Dec 2014 9:38 am
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It doesn't necessarily have to be you playing the guitar, either - feel free to post clips of others playing from YT or whatever, as long as they feature the fourth and/or zero pedals.
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Lane Gray
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 9:11 am
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I'll try to do one Monday, John
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James Kerr
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Posted 4 Dec 2014 2:36 pm
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I waited with interest to hear this too, but I guess everybody has just reverted to rolling the A & B Pedals again.
James. |
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John Booth
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Posted 4 Dec 2014 2:49 pm
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Me too. Someone ?
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Antolina
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Posted 5 Dec 2014 9:26 am
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Me three 
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2014 6:14 pm
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Hi John... This is strictly amateur stuff, but I had posted a couple YT steel demo vids with me playing some vintage steels.. there is a ton of nonsense doodling, half hit licks, squeeks, squidgets, malaprops,non sequiter and noise, but I do use my 4th and 5th pedals a lot on E9.. For almost all of us, the AB pedals get 90%+ of use, but I do use my "extra" pedals more than most, and you will see that pretty well if you check the vid.. My footwork is very clear here, and will give you a good idea of how a "honky tonk journeyman" E9 player uses the 4 and 5 pedals.. I have used a 5 pedal E9 copedent since the mid 70's, and could NEVER play with less than 4 floor pedals.. 5 floors is right for me.. I have tried 6, but its overkill, and just gets in the way.. Again, this is just a half assed showoff blowing through cheap licks, but you will see the 4 pedal in use in a very clear way in several places... To those that have already seen this, please bear with me... bob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay4ilskeACc
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David Rupert
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 2:19 pm
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Hi John... This is strictly amateur stuff, but I had posted a couple YT steel demo vids with me playing some vintage steels.. there is a ton of nonsense doodling, half hit licks, squeeks, squidgets, malaprops,non sequiter and noise, but I do use my 4th and 5th pedals a lot on E9.. For almost all of us, the AB pedals get 90%+ of use, but I do use my "extra" pedals more than most, and you will see that pretty well if you check the vid.. My footwork is very clear here, and will give you a good idea of how a "honky tonk journeyman" E9 player uses the 4 and 5 pedals.. I have used a 5 pedal E9 copedent since the mid 70's, and could NEVER play with less than 4 floor pedals.. 5 floors is right for me.. I have tried 6, but its overkill, and just gets in the way.. Again, this is just a half assed showoff blowing through cheap licks, but you will see the 4 pedal in use in a very clear way in several places... To those that have already seen this, please bear with me... bob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay4ilskeACc |
Hardly Amateurish playing!!
You sound great, Man!!
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Jordan Bissonnette
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Posted 11 Dec 2014 7:13 am
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I've been thinking of getting a 4th pedal too, but i'm not 100% sure what type of licks it'll allow me to do, is it used more for chording or for licks ? I really have no idea. So if Lane makes that video that would be pretty sweet
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robert kramer
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Posted 11 Dec 2014 2:18 pm
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Paul Franklin is using the Franklin Pedal all through this song and you can especially hear him lower the 10th string B to A - very effectively and very in tune.
"Star Spangled Banner" Leigh Anne Womack w/ Paul Franklin
starting @ 3:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cayp-z01Rk |
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John Scanlon
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Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Posted 3 Jan 2015 4:24 am
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| Bob Carlucci wrote: |
| Again, this is just a half assed showoff blowing through cheap licks |
Yeah right.
I could see the feet and knees clearly if I couldn't follow.
A Youtube poster said of the MSA 'That thing cries well.'
Both steels sound mighty good, Bob.
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Richard Sinkler
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Posted 3 Jan 2015 10:23 am
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Hmm... My 4th pedal is my "A" pedal.
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Jeff Scott Brown
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Posted 3 Jan 2015 10:26 am
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| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| Hmm... My 4th pedal is my "A" pedal. |
I may have misinterpreted the original question but I took his mention of 4th pedal not to mean the 4th pedal from either end but instead to mean a pedal in addition to the traditional A, B and C pedals. If that is correct, your 4th pedal could not be the A pedal.
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Jeff Scott Brown
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O'Fallon Missouri, USA
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Posted 3 Jan 2015 10:45 am
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Not to hijack the thread, I think my request here is consistent with, not in competition with the original post...
When I had GFI make my guitar I had a couple of extra pedals installed so I would have them when/if I got to a point where I wanted them. I still don't use them for anything and am interested in learning about some possibilities.
My setup has the traditional A, B and C pedals with A to the immediate left of B and B to the immediate left of C. In addition to those I have a pedal immediately to the left of A and that pedal lowers 5, 6 and 10 a full step. I also have a pedal immediately to the right of the C pedal which lowers 3 a half step and raises 6 a half step.
Any tips and tricks related to either of those pedals would be appreciated.
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John Scanlon
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Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Posted 3 Jan 2015 2:51 pm
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| Jeff Scott Brown wrote: |
| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| Hmm... My 4th pedal is my "A" pedal. |
I may have misinterpreted the original question but I took his mention of 4th pedal not to mean the 4th pedal from either end but instead to mean a pedal in addition to the traditional A, B and C pedals. If that is correct, your 4th pedal could not be the A pedal. |
Richard is joking ... kind of.
By "A pedal," he means the one that raises the B notes on strings 5 and 10 a full step to C#. He plays the "Day" setup, rather than the slightly-more-common "Emmons" setup, and has a fourth "zero" pedal; thus, counting from left to right on his setup, his A pedal is indeed his fourth pedal.
Your understanding of my original question is correct.
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John Scanlon
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Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Posted 3 Jan 2015 2:52 pm
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| Jeff Scott Brown wrote: |
| In addition to those I have a pedal immediately to the left of A and that pedal lowers 5, 6 and 10 a full step. |
This is known as the Franklin pedal in many circles.
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Jeff Scott Brown
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O'Fallon Missouri, USA
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Posted 3 Jan 2015 8:30 pm
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| John Scanlon wrote: |
| Jeff Scott Brown wrote: |
| In addition to those I have a pedal immediately to the left of A and that pedal lowers 5, 6 and 10 a full step. |
This is known as the Franklin pedal in many circles. |
Indeed it is. I think the other is often referred to as a Mooney pedal.
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John Scanlon
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Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 14 Jan 2015 4:10 pm
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| John Scanlon wrote: |
| Jeff Scott Brown wrote: |
| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| Hmm... My 4th pedal is my "A" pedal. |
I may have misinterpreted the original question but I took his mention of 4th pedal not to mean the 4th pedal from either end but instead to mean a pedal in addition to the traditional A, B and C pedals. If that is correct, your 4th pedal could not be the A pedal. |
Richard is joking ... kind of.
By "A pedal," he means the one that raises the B notes on strings 5 and 10 a full step to C#. He plays the "Day" setup, rather than the slightly-more-common "Emmons" setup, and has a fourth "zero" pedal; thus, counting from left to right on his setup, his A pedal is indeed his fourth pedal.
Your understanding of my original question is correct. |
And actually, I have both a zero pedal and a fifth pedal on my E9 neck. A is pedal #4. 
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Edward Rhea
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Medford Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 6:13 pm
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Nice, Bob C!
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John Scanlon
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Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 9:03 pm
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| Richard Sinkler wrote: |
| And actually, I have both a zero pedal and a fifth pedal on my E9 neck. A is pedal #4. |
Alrighty, then. This is certainly the right place. I guess you're up. Post away!
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