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Topic: Emmons countrrforce picture request |
Ben Godard
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Jamesville NC
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Posted 22 Dec 2014 4:16 pm |
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| Does any one have a close up picture of a legrand III counterforce mechanism? I also would like to know if they are good as some people say. From what I've read , the countefforce acts to counteract the pitch drop on certain strings which occurs when pressing the a&b pedals |
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Dave Diehl
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Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2014 8:22 am This what you need Ben?
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2014 11:13 am
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Ben, to answer your question, yes counter force mech works very well, in fact, you can actually adjust it to make a string go sharp that usually drops from cabinet flex. What it does as best as I could tell is put counter force on the axle part of the changer. You may be able to tell a little difference in pedal pressure due to the fact that it is connected to pedals. The LeGrand III I had had very little if any difference in pedal feel but the guy I sold it to years later, disconnected the counter force mech because he didn't like the pedal feel.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Lynn Stafford
From:
Ridgefield, WA USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2014 3:44 pm Emmons counterforce picture request
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Hi Ben,
Here are a few photos of the under carriage of an '03 Emmons LeGrande III that I worked on last year. It only has the Counterforce system on the E9th neck.
Look closely at these photos and follow the linkage from the first three pedals to an auxiliary shaft that connects to a lever that's attached to the device shown in the photo that Dave posted.
It's a very good system but it does need to be adjusted properly to really be effective.
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Lynn Stafford
STEEL GUITAR WEST
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Steel Guitar Technician (Restoration, Set-up, Service and Repair work)
Previous Emmons Authorized Dealer & Service Technician (original factory is now closed)
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Dale Lee
From:
Down Yonder
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DG Whitley
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Posted 24 Dec 2014 5:45 am
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...it would also appear that the patent protection has expired for non-payment of fees...
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 24 Dec 2014 5:53 am
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I know that these are fine instruments but I have no experience of them, so someone please tell me if I've missed the point. The mechanism being described appears to apply a force to counteract the bending of the axle under certain conditions. Would it not be simpler to support the axle all the time?
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 24 Dec 2014 6:39 am
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| DG Whitley wrote: |
...it would also appear that the patent protection has expired for non-payment of fees...
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Hmmm... I guess things like this are to be assumed, given all the other stories we've heard.
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2014 8:52 am
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
| I know that these are fine instruments but I have no experience of them, so someone please tell me if I've missed the point. The mechanism being described appears to apply a force to counteract the bending of the axle under certain conditions. Would it not be simpler to support the axle all the time? |
Ian, I don't think the bending of the axle is what cause cabinet drop. The SKH Emmons has a supported axle and so do Sho Buds and some other guitars. It may add something but still doesn't stop cabinet drop. The counter force mech does apply opposite force to the axle which sorta counter acts the cabinet drop. As Lynn said, they do have to be adjusted properly to work correct and they do work very well.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 24 Dec 2014 12:35 pm
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Henry, I get it now. Many thanks and Merry Christmas 
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Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Michael Sparks
From:
Houston, Texas
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Posted 26 Dec 2014 3:28 pm
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Expired patent fees.
Man, that's just depressing.
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Emmons Resound 65 (any minute now...), 2017 Mullen G2, 2010 Emmons Le Grande II, 2003 Emmons Le Grande III, Emmons PP x 2, Telonics VP, Milkman 85W Pedal Steel Amp, Milkman Mini-40 |
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Kevin Raymer
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Chalybeate, Kentucky, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2014 4:07 pm
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What does expired patent fees mean ??
Does that put the design in the public domain now and open for duplication ??
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Kevin Raymer
Zum / Knaggs / Breedlove
Fractal Audio |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 26 Dec 2014 8:46 pm
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Correct, Kevin. It's public property now.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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