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Jason Bergeron
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Posted 9 Dec 2014 5:11 pm |
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I recently received my copy of Patricia Warnock's chord chart. It is a big help! Will take me a minute to go through it since I'm so green, but I will eventually get it, I hope!
What ways can I form chords on E9th with more than one string for making simple beginner melodies?
Any help is greatly appreciated!
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Joe Huggins
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Posted 9 Dec 2014 6:37 pm
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| Lay your bar on the third fret and pluck 6-8-10 or 5-6-8 or 4-5-6 or 3-4-5 all of which will give you a G chord. Leave the bar on the third fret and push the A & B pedals and pluck those same strings and you will have a C chord. Hold the A & B pedals down and slide your bar to the fifth fret and pluck those same strings and you have a D chord. You can play a lot of songs with G C & D. |
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 9 Dec 2014 6:55 pm
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Thank you very much!
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Tommy Auldridge
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 12:38 pm more still
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leave the bar on the 3rd. fret with A&B pedals still down, lower strings 4and 8 with your knee and you have D9th., release the A pedal and you have D7th., release the B pedal and you have D6th.
Keeping A&B pedals down, and raise strings 4 and 8 with your other knee lever, you have an E aug... Let the A & B pedals off, but keep the knee on and you have E7th. Let the knee off and put the A pedal back down and you have E minor...
Also with A&B pedals down and lowering strings 4 and 8 you can think of it as a G# aug.7th. There's more, but that's enough to think about for now. Tommy...... |
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 1:54 pm Merci beaucoup!
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Thanks a lot! I will be making notes of these and experimenting!
How can I form the A and F chords? Ex: A major, minor, etc?
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Joe Huggins
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 2:28 pm
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| No bar and the A & B pedals down will give you an A or no pedals and the bar on the 5th fret will give you an A. With no pedals F is on the first fret F# is on the second fret G is on the third fret and so on. |
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 2:43 pm Thanks!
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To make those, I would use the same string groups that you listed, correct?
This is all such a big help! I finally realized from what Mr. Tommy Auldridge posted, what the term lowering or raising the E's means LOL! I have so much to learn, but this instrument is so much fun! Plus, I know my poor Ole Dad would be proud!
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Joe Huggins
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 2:47 pm
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| Yes on the string groups. |
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 4:16 pm Re: more still
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| Tommy Auldridge wrote: |
leave the bar on the 3rd. fret with A&B pedals still down, lower strings 4and 8 with your knee and you have D9th., release the A pedal and you have D7th., release the B pedal and you have D6th.
Keeping A&B pedals down, and raise strings 4 and 8 with your other knee lever, you have an E aug... Let the A & B pedals off, but keep the knee on and you have E7th. Let the knee off and put the A pedal back down and you have E minor...
Also with A&B pedals down and lowering strings 4 and 8 you can think of it as a G# aug.7th. There's more, but that's enough to think about for now. Tommy...... |
To form a D6th, D7th or D9th chord, I play strings 4 & 8 on fret 3 with only the LKR? No pedals? My A & B pedals don't change strings 4 and 8.
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Wayne Ledbetter
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Arkansas, USA
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 4:30 pm Chords
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Glad you are getting into this. I will tell you that they make charts that are the size of the fretboard and show some chords on that fret. I have been thinking about that. I would like to see if the forum or a member has those. They are fretboard type charts and they show some chord formations...you lay them on the fretboard if you want.
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Lane Gray
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 7:01 pm
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Jason, on fret three, dropping the Es gives you D6 (leave off the 9th string).
Lowered Es, silenced 3 and 6 = D major
Lowered Es + B pedal = D7
Lowered Es + B pedal + A pedal = D9
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 7:42 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
Jason, on fret three, dropping the Es gives you D6 (leave off the 9th string).
Lowered Es, silenced 3 and 6 = D major
Lowered Es + B pedal = D7
Lowered Es + B pedal + A pedal = D9 |
Do I use the groups of 6-8-10, 5-6-8, 4-5-6 and 3-4-5 to make those chords?
I'm a bit confused....silenced 3 & 6? Do you mean not to play those strings?
I apologize for the incompetence.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 8:50 pm
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At the third fret, since that's where we're talking about, the note of the 3rd and 6th strings is B, C with the B pedal.
The notes played with lowered Es (I'll put the A and B pedal notes in parentheses) at the 3rd fret are, from 10 to 1: D (E), F, F#, A, B (C), D (E), F#, B (C), F#, A
The notes of a D major chord are: D, F#, A
So you have the following strings to choose from: 10, 8, 7, 5, 4, 2, and 1. 3 and 6 are the 6 tone (7 with pedal), so you have to leave them unplayed, unless you WANT the sound of 6 or 7
The notes of D7 are D, F#, A and C. So you add the 3 or 6 with B pedal to get D7.
PS: it's not incompetence, it's learning a whole new language. Relax, you'll get there.
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Joe Huggins
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Bear River City,Utah, USA
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 8:59 pm
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| Glad you jumped in here lane, I'm in over my head. I'm a greenhorn just like you Jason and my plan is to learn the major chords, what they are and where they are and how to move from one to another. Once I get that down I'll start adding in minor and 7th chords to start to liven things up. 6th, 9th and augmented chords aren't even on my horizon at the moment. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 10 Dec 2014 9:46 pm
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Jason, Joe, if you don't already have it, get the Winston/Keith book.
And the Perlowin or Mike van Allen theory courses wouldn't hurt, either. More knowledge of how music works can help a lot. And I'm always available overnights, and never mind talking.
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Bobby D. Jones
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West Virginia, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2014 10:38 pm Different ways to form chords
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| There is another chord that is handy when playing in G Chord. At the 3rd fret, Push the A pedal down. Strings 3,4,5 or 4,5,6 gives you E Minor. This chord is needed in many songs played in G Chord. Happy Steelin. |
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Will Cowell
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Posted 12 Dec 2014 7:43 am
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It's all in that cheat sheet I sent you, Jason. And more.
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2014 8:06 am
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| Will Cowell wrote: |
| It's all in that cheat sheet I sent you, Jason. And more. |
I'm sure it is....I'm just having trouble understanding it.
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Kevin Edmonds
From:
Missouri, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2014 8:30 am g7
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| I'm a newbie looking for a G7... |
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Joe Huggins
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Bear River City,Utah, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2014 10:15 am Theory Theory Theory
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| I've spent the last few months educating myself on musical theory and what a difference it makes. Can you pick a note and figure out what notes are in that key? If you can figure out what notes are in one key you can do it for all keys. Chords the same. If you can figure the notes in one chord you can figure the notes in all chords. Its logical, predictable and consistant and once you learn some theory it all starts to make sense. |
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Lane Gray
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Posted 12 Dec 2014 10:16 am
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G7? Here are a few, grouped by fret.
1, with Bs dropped. 10 & 5 are 3rds, 4&8 are 7ths, 7&1 are roots, 6&3 are 9ths (ignore them if you wish) and if you drop 9&2 to C#, that's a 5th.
Fret 3: 10&5 are 5, 9 is a 7th (so is 2 if you drop it to D), 8&4 are root, 6 and 3 are thirds (1&7 are 9ths
Fret 6, raise Es to F: 10&5 are 7, 8&4 are thirds and 6&3 are 5. If you lower 2 and 9 to C#, that's a root (or you can use the A pedal to pull 7 to root and back
Fret 8, Es lowered, B pedal engaged: 10&5 are roots, 8&4 are thirds, 7&1 are fifths and 6&3 are 7ths.
Fret 10, A and B pedals, 1 raised to G and either 6 lowered a whole or 7 raised to G: 10&5 are thirds, 8&4 are 5ths, that split or half-raised 7th are 7ths as is 1, 3 is root.
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Joe Huggins
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Bear River City,Utah, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2014 11:42 am 7th Chords
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| So a 7th chord has 4 notes and we only have 3 fingers with picks, which do we drop? Do we play root, 5th and 7th? |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 12 Dec 2014 12:16 pm
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As a general rule, it's best to drop root or 5.
Everyone around you will provide lots of those; the 3 provides the flavor of the chord and the 7 gives, well, the seventhness.
You can even get by with just 3 and 7.
Or 5 and 7: I OFTEN hit sevenths by going two frets down from no pedals (for G7, that means frets 1 or 13) and hitting strings 4&5 and immediately adding the A pedal. If you follow the G7 with a C, release the A pedal and lower your Es. You'll transition from 5 and 7 of the I chord to 1 and 3 of the IV chord (the pairs of notes going from D and F to C and E)
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Marty Forrer
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New Zealand
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Posted 12 Dec 2014 1:47 pm
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| All chords of a major scale except the 7th can be played in one bar position. There is a very good youtube clip by Jeff Rady explaining this. He makes it dead easy to understand. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 12 Dec 2014 2:04 pm
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Yes, but not every one will be there in the most pleasing or effective inversion/voicing
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