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Topic: Sho Bud age help |
Andras Dancsak
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Europe, Hungary
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 3:56 am |
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Hi guys!
could you help me?
I bought this guitar last year, but I don't know it's age. The seller told me it maybe came from the early 80s before the Gretsch era but he was not sure in that.
it is a Pro III custom and the serial number is 6978
thanks, Andras
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Jason Putnam
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 4:53 am
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From don bloods website it looks like 74-75
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Douglas Schuch
From:
Valencia, Philippines
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 4:56 am
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The info I have says that was built in Jan. 1975. That would make it one of the first Pro III's. If so, then it probably has a double-raise, single-lower changer and uses the two-hole pullers. Is this right? She's pretty - I like red!
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Andras Dancsak
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Europe, Hungary
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Jason Putnam
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 9:43 am
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I see two hole pullers, wide pedals, teardrop levers. But no brass barrels?? Maybe it was converted to nylon tuners at some point?? Not sure when they started getting away from the barrels? But either way it's a nice Old Bud!!
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Skip Edwards
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LA,CA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 10:57 am
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Except for a small handful, all early ProIII's had the nylon tuners, as well as square-front cabinets.
This one - and a very nice one, btw - looks just like the one on a flyer from '75.
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Tom Gorr
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Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 11:02 am
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| Jason Putnam wrote: |
| I see two hole pullers, wide pedals, teardrop levers. But no brass barrels?? Maybe it was converted to nylon tuners at some point?? Not sure when they started getting away from the barrels? But either way it's a nice Old Bud!! |
it's pretty clear when you compare the cost ofa brass barrel to a nylon nut. Price point is more important than quality when volume is what the market wants. |
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Jack Aldrich
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Washington, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 11:10 am
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My 1975 (or maybe 1976) ProI, wood neck, red (like this one) 3 pedals 4 knees, wide pedals,had the nylon nut 3 raise/2 lower changer. I miss it every day - traded it for a ProIII with 8/4 and metal necks.
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 1:14 pm
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| My November '74 has a round front and wide pedals, teardrop levers, nylon tuners, 2 and 1 changer. So early '75 looks right to me! |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 3:41 pm
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Not all Pro II's and Pro III's had barrels behind the pullers, my Pro III had set screws in the pullers. I believe it was based on which changer was on the Steel.
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 4:49 pm
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| Tony Prior wrote: |
| Not all Pro II's and Pro III's had barrels behind the pullers, my Pro III had set screws in the pullers. |
Mine ('77), too. Double/double changer. |
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Storm Rosson
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Silver City, NM. USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 5:01 pm
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| What John said, right around late 73 is when they started using nylon nuts, I think it is a +2,-1 changer bein as its a pro III with square front, diamond inlay and Al necks....just my opi...Stormy |
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 5:29 pm
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| Storm Rosson wrote: |
| What John said, right around late 73 is when they started using nylon nuts, |
My 3/27/74 LDG is round-front with barrels behind two-hole pullers. Single/single changer w/o nylon nuts. |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 8:45 pm
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| Yeah Brint, but that was a year/year and a half of big changes for Shobud. The first barrels behind two hole pullers was Lloyd's guitar in late '73. By late '74, the barrels were gone. Dumb move by Shobud IMO. Barrels are great! Why they went to nylon tuners is beyond me. Trying to be modern is my guess. The primo system is barrels behind two hole pullers. |
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Storm Rosson
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Silver City, NM. USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 8:56 pm
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Brint, my pro II was a 74 and started as a d-10 with the 1+1 changer brass barrels behind brass buttons. I modified the changer finger pull plates on a couple of strings that needed 2 separte pulls, the B's and I forget what else, so I could use straight pull rods thru the brass button and threaded the ends to take 5-40 nylon nuts. Some 7-8 mos later I was in the store where I got my pro II and saw what I was told was the first Pro III LDG model with square front,diamond inlay (mine had the round front and rope)and the first Al neck(s). It had a +2-1 changer and the same rod thru button setup that mine and later models had until whenever they made the next changer upgrade(?)ie: 2+2 and 3+2 changers. What I was told about the timeline of evolution on the pro's is purely anecdotal it's accuracy mite be dubious...John I think it was mostly profit driven ,as someone mentioned the straight rod and plastic nut is prolly considerably cheaper to implement. JMO...Stormy
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 9:02 pm
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| As I said, lot of changes happening at Shobud, in a very short time period. |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 9:09 pm
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| John Billings wrote: |
| Yeah Brint, but that was a year/year and a half of big changes for Shobud. The first barrels behind two hole pullers was Lloyd's guitar in late '73. By late '74, the barrels were gone. Dumb move by Shobud IMO. Barrels are great! Why they went to nylon tuners is beyond me. Trying to be modern is my guess. The primo system is barrels behind two hole pullers. |
I agree.
So you're saying maybe they started using nylon nuts on other models before they used them on the LDG, I guess. |
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