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Antolina
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Dunkirk NY
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Posted 2 Dec 2014 6:00 pm |
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Well here I am again. Last month I sent my PSG to Vic for some repairs. To make a long story short, my steel was damgaged in shipping. Fedex was the shipper. Vic was good enough to take pictures of the guitar and case. I sent them to Fedex by way of the service that took care of shipping.
My question is, how should I proceed from here? I've heard from others that they will probably deny the claim. I insured it for $1500.
rc
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Lane Gray
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Posted 2 Dec 2014 8:42 pm
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One technical point : FedEx was carrier, you were the shipper.
What kind of damages were done?
Did you pack it, or did the agent? Did anyone take pics of the packing? If improperly or inadequately packed, it's on the packer.
Do you know if it was packed anything like what Greg Cutshaw recommended on his site?
Fedex will probably try to claim it was inadequately packed; it's on you to show you did pack it for the journey.
Would you have felt comfortable dropping it to the ground from waist height?
Beat of luck.
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Keith Hilton
From:
248 Laurel Road Ozark, Missouri 65721
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Posted 2 Dec 2014 9:12 pm
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| I was told by the manager at the Springfield, Missouri Fed Ex---Quote---"We do not ship stringed instruments". Those were his exact words---not my words. That told me all I needed to know. |
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Roger Shackelton
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MINNESOTA (deceased)
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Posted 2 Dec 2014 10:51 pm
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I believe you would have had better luck with the U.S. Post Office.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 2 Dec 2014 11:38 pm
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Roger, the Big 3 all treat large packages the same. The big stuff doesn't ride the conveyor belts, but go on carts pulled by towmotors. The carts usually have no sides, no suspension and solid tires. At the local terminal and the major hubs, they ride twice: Once from the dock to the sorting area, and from the sort back to the outbound dock. And each outfit will hit two terminals and two hubs. That's 8 cart trips.
The likelihood of falling from these carts ranges from 2% to 7% per trip, and each shipment rides a cart 8 times. That means up to 56% chance of hitting the ground at 10 MPH from a height of three feet.
Again ALL THREE ARE THE SAME.
Either pack your guitar to withstand a three foot drop to concrete, cross your fingers, or try Greyhound.
A friend of mine has worked for all three: UPS, USPS and FedEx. I can't speak for the others, but I know that FXG is experimenting with modifications to the carts. They include nets and removable sides. But it remains that the likelihood of dropping ranges from ten to 56%.
With adequate bracing and padding, they can make the trip fine. But if you don't think you'd be willing to drop it from waist height, it's not ready to go.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Antolina
From:
Dunkirk NY
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 7:43 am
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Well the problem is my PSG wasn't dropped. It was hit with what Appears to a towmotor. The case was punctured and the steel was damaged to the tune of $400.
That being said, either way... I guess I'm screwed. Thanks for the input.
rc
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Marrs 3+4
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 8:02 am
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No. Not screwed. If that's the nature of the damage, then they should pay, and should be made to pay. Stick to your guns.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Antolina
From:
Dunkirk NY
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 8:27 am
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Sticking to my guns implies a position of power. That might suggest small claims court. That could mean where to file a claim? Big company's have way of filing that suggests a veritable distance to process said small claims. I mean what is the good of travelling to east bygawd to collect $400?
We'll see. Thanks Lane.
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The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
RC Antolina
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 8:37 am
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I believe that you can file in your jurisdiction. I'd go their route first. I'll ask my friend who used to work in QA.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Antolina
From:
Dunkirk NY
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 8:47 am
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| I'd go their route first. . |
By that I assume you mean negotiating. Before this turns into a Laruel and Hardy script, I'll try the methods that big companys hate. First try negotiating follwed by small claims. Courts costs them money they abhor spending particularly for minor claims. Let's see how it goes. I'll let you know how it all works out.
Once again... Thanks a lot Lane.
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Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
RC Antolina
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 9:14 am
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First, file a claim, submit as many before and after pics as you have. Then try their appeals process.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Howard Parker
From:
Maryland
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 9:24 am
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File a claim Here.
You have to create a customer ID.
Easy peasy! All it will take will be a little time.
Save your packaging. Save documentation. Take pictures.
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Antolina
From:
Dunkirk NY
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 9:28 am
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That calls for a Big Thanks to Howard  .
rc
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 3 Dec 2014 11:04 am
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I had to take FedEx to court. They damaged a new/old Emmons p/p to the tune of $4,800.
They sent an adjuster to look at the guitar and he couldn't even see any damage, wrong! I filed a claim in conciliation (small claims) court and we went before the judge. I had it insured for the full amount and FedEx stated that that wasn't insurance, it was declared value, duh! The judge said: "I'll decide that". And she did. She awarded me the full amount of the claim and the guitar wound up in a warehouse in Utah. I hope somebody got a good deal on it from FedEx.  |
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Antolina
From:
Dunkirk NY
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Posted 4 Dec 2014 3:38 pm
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I filed a claim with Fedex and sent pictures. I'm waiting as we speak. I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks to all.
rc
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The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Antolina
From:
Dunkirk NY
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Posted 4 Dec 2014 6:46 pm
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Maybe so but I bought a $1500 policy and they accepted it.
We'll see what happens.
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The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
Sho~Bud 6139 3+3
Marrs 3+4
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 5 Dec 2014 8:02 am
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don't let them walk from the claim, time to be aggressive, not assertive, aggressive, everyday. I repeat, every day until it is resolved. This wasn't shipping damage, it was run over by a worker !
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Antolina
From:
Dunkirk NY
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Posted 5 Dec 2014 9:03 am
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Oh I will be aggressive. You can count on it 
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The only thing better than doing what you love is having someone that loves you enough to let you do it.
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Lee Dassow
From:
Jefferson, Georgia USA
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Posted 5 Dec 2014 12:43 pm
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This is exactly why I wouldn't ship Musical equipment. When I have to sell my stuff It'll be local pickup only. T.L.
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 9:06 am
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well to the contrary, this year I have shipped easily a dozen Instruments, ( 5 or 6 Steels) and received half dozen, not one damaged, not one late, combo of Fed Ex and UPS. Each were packed for safe arrival, incoming and outgoing. I can only recall 1 guitar damaged in the past several years and that was by the Post Office but the guitar was just siting in a box with barely any packing support so the neck was broke. The damage in my mind was to be expected.
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Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders , Eastman Mandolin ,
Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website |
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Steve Geis
From:
Fayetteville, GA USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 9:23 am
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| KEEP THE PACKING MATERIAL. If they asked to see it and you don't have it, they can deny the claim. Declared Value protects the carrier "FedX"; Insurance protects the shipper "YOU." FedX is not concerned about law suits; they have staff lawyers that deal with claims everyday. Also, you can file in your state because FedX is required to have a "registered agent" in every state they do business in, which is all 50! And also follow the other, previous advise above, i.e. pix, etc. As well as the consistent follow up so that the easiest way to make you go away is for FedX to give you your $400. |
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Steve Geis
From:
Fayetteville, GA USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2014 9:33 am
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not to make light of your situation, but click on this link for a fun vide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo
if the link doesn't work, go to youtube and search "united breaks guitars"
Dave Carroll has made a huge biz out of his claim that United broke his Taylor guitar. United eventually paid his claim, Taylor gave him a new guitar, then Taylor took him on as a rep/sponsor. He created certain fame, got tons of gigs, did follow up songs/CDs, became a motivational speaker and even wrote a book about his success from his claim with United.
Google "united breaks guitars."
Again, I don't mean to diminish the seriousness of your unfortunate shipping experience. Just know that we all kinda count on you to keep your irons to the fire on this one. I anticipate and look forward to an update on this thread that you prevailed on your claim. Good Luck. |
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Jay Fagerlie
From:
Lotus, California, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2014 7:01 am
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I just got an email yesterday from FedEx telling me they have delivered my instrument....
the only problem is the address is a closed building- we're not open on Saturdays!!!!
This is going to be fun to figure out.... |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 7 Dec 2014 7:36 am
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The shipper DID require a signature, didn't s/he?
If signature not required, they'll just drop it off at the door.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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