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Topic: Opinions please |
Jimmy Gibson
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 12:40 am |
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At the moment the Sho-Bud Super Pro steel I have just got has a PF11 George L on the E9th and a TW G/L on the C6th I do have a pair of original Sho-Bud pickups that I am thinking of maybe putting back on the Super Pro.
What is your opinion of GLs on a Bud or do you prefer the single coil Bud pick ups over the GL`s?.
Jimmy
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Micky Byrne
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United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 1:48 am Re: Opinions please
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Hi "Grandad" ...joking  ...the Sho-Bud when played acoustically has a warm rounded tone. I think the original pickups (single coil) will give that "Bite" to the tone, plus the fact that if you did want at anytime to sell it, it's better to have it as original. That's my opinion anyway. My old 'Bud has always had single coils. First a Sho-Bud, Then an Emmons, and after the rebuild from the fire, all he had was a "Bennett" to put on....it still sounds like a Sho-Bud. Alot to say about the way they were constructed 
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 2:34 am
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Yes Micky I agree with you so i will put the Bud Pickups on when I restring it.it`s a nice steel in superb condition for a 35 year old steel sounds great even with the GL`s but that D12 I had with the Bud pickups sounded better so I will give it a pickup transplant very soon.
Jimmy. |
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Micky Byrne
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United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 5:32 am
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Jim....I bought my 'Bud new in London's Tin Pan Alley, where John Edmed had the shop just called "Sho-Bud's" in 1977, but I don't really know how long it was in the Warehouse in Nashville. I know at that time they didn't make many 12 strings, and I'd only tried a blonde one some months earlier, but I recall it was the "rattle" pedals type. Mine is a Double raise and Single lower. When I had it converted to a Uni..on one double lower Dave Wiggins did it on one rod underneath with 2 threaded bullet type adjusters just under the back apron. Hardly have to touch it. According to Ricky Davis, that changer Double raise/single lower was one of the best  On the track played on my website's home page, it's the Bud I was playing. Mello but still with a little "Bite" that was the Emmon's single coil, wound to about 18,000 I recall.
Micky "scars" Byrne U.K. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 5:58 am
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For what it's worth, from my experience with my Sho-Bud 6160----a 12 string Pro-1----the 'Sho-Bud sound' is with its original single coil pickup. I hate SC hum and I replaced it with a BL pickup. The resulting sound is certainly still Bud but it is a little bit less SHO-BUD! and a little more mainstream (I am avoiding saying 'generic' because that is such an ugly word). Originally it had such a distinct sound that when you heard it you said "that is a Sho-Bud" but now it is less extreme, more just 'steel guitar'. This actually suits me better and I have no regrets (and no hum).
And it still definitely sounds like a Bud. |
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Micky Byrne
From:
United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 6:12 am
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Hi Jon....sound and pick-ups is such a weird thing. I have 2 universals, The 'Bud and a Carter.. I got the Carter used with a Lawrence 712. I didn't like it, so I called the late John Fabian and asked his advice. He said the original customer wanted the Lawrence, so that's what he got got, but he said it was not a good pick/up for a Carter. So I plummed for a wallace TT. I can honestly say I can sit pretty near my amp and the Volume pedal open wide...no hum at all. I chop and change every time I practice indoors...first one guitar then the other. Yes, there is a difference...The 'Bud is warmer, and the Carter has more brightness, probably because how it's constructed and being a Mica covered axe, so it's just down a tad on the treble control
Micky "scars" Byrne U.K. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 6:32 am
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As a matter of fact, Micky, although I liked the original pickup in my Carter 12, a GeorgeL TPPP that I chose when I ordered the guitar, it was badly microphonic (a problem shared by many other people). I put a BL 912 in it and did not like it at all. I told John Fabian and he said the same thing--bad pairing, Carter & 912. I took his advice on a BL XR16 and it was absolutely the right pickup. And guess what--the 912 is now in the Bud and it's good. I do have a 712 that I will try in it one day just....because.
And on the subject, I had an Alumitone in my Fessenden and liked it. Tried one in the Bud and hated it. Go figure.
edited to get Micky's name right--sorry!
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Micky Byrne
From:
United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 6:46 am
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Jon...that's what he said to me too...bad pairing...he gave me the choice of the BL Xr-16 or the Wallace TT, which was more suited to a Carter....My choice was the TT...and am a happy bunny now. The original owner had "NEVER" ever played a steel before, not even one without pedals, and he orders a Brand new universal. Needless to say he didn't have a clue what to do ...so I bid him down on the price, and knocked off a few hundred £ pounds
Micky "scars" Byrne U.K.
www.micky-byrne.co.uk |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 10:14 am
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The Super=Pro I had, was too noisy, in clubs and the studio. I ended up putting in BL 710's in it. Same tone, no noise. I did the same with my Carter. Had a G/L E66 on E9, which I liked, but with the experiences I have had with BL710's, I decided to put a pair on my Carter. The 710 sounds great. But so did the originals.
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 10:23 am
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Jimmy
You came out on top in your deal.
The Super Pro sounds great with original 'Bud pickups, Wallace Truetones and Lawrence 710's. I put George L's in my 'Bud once, and it sounded awful.
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Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E, |
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John Roche
From:
England
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 12:43 pm
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| That's my old guitar, I put the pickups on because of the noise from the shobud pickups. Bought it in 1979. it still look great.... |
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Mitch Ellis
From:
Collins, Mississippi USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2014 8:50 pm
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I think that Lloyd Green uses a BL 710 on his Sho Bud.
Mitch |
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 20 Sep 2014 12:11 am
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Just to make it clear the pickups on my steel are NOT E66`s on the front neck I have a G/L PF11 and on the back neck I have a G/L TW and it sounds great, I may try the Bud p/ups if I can find another for the C6th.Anyone got a Bud C6`th p/up f/s?
Jimmy.
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 20 Sep 2014 12:22 am
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You won't get that authentic 'Bud sound with George L's, which can sound great on modern mica covered guitars. I have True Tone single coils on my Sho~Bud, and I think it sounds pretty good with not too much in the way of noise. I love the tone of the Super Pro - an inherently great sounding guitar but one that needs the right pickup(s) on it. Genuine 'Bud pickups in good order are the best option.
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Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E, |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 20 Sep 2014 8:38 am
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Well it's all a matter of opinion; but in my experience; the George L pickup is a NON-match for the shobud. If you HAVE to have a humbucker(i don't and I recorded on 20 CD's and 4 movie soundtracks just in the last year with NO hum probs.) then the Bill Lawrence 710 narrow mount..is great(its' what Lloyd Green uses)...otherwise I'm a HUGE single coil fan. If the originals are good(no loose windings and measure out in the 18,000 to 19,000 range); then good deal...otherwise you get my friend Jerry wallace to wind you a couple of TrueTone's to 17,500 and you're good to go.
Ricky
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Daniel Policarpo
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Posted 20 Sep 2014 10:30 am
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| Boy that Super-Pro looks sharp. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 20 Sep 2014 11:16 am
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| Shobuds for over 20 years, Kline for 12, back to Shobuds. 6/7 nights a week, plus studio calls. Never had a hum problem. Retired from gigging, and just playing Buds at home. No hum! And they sound the way they should! |
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Wayne Ledbetter
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 21 Sep 2014 6:32 am Question
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Mr. Davis and others: I too acquired a Sho Bud super pro. I also have acquired Fender twin reissue. As I progress any comment that would be appreciated. I think I noted that you play Bud and use Twin. I did note your comment about the pickup. Thanks in advance to all.
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Sho Bud Super Pro, Fender Twin Reissue, Martin HD-28, Gibson J-45, Gibson RB-250,Stelling Bellflower,Regal Dobro, Takamine and Alvarez Classical, Fender Telecaster, Peavey Studio Pro 112. Mainly played Gospel and some bluegrass. |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 21 Sep 2014 8:15 am
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Hey Wayne I do play a "Bud" and Fender Twin. But my Sho~bud is completely nothing like the superpro and neither is my twin...
there is not one part on my shobud(first year LDG) that is like the later model Shobud; even down to the screws are different size. My Fender Twin is a 1970 silver face; Blackfaced point to point wiring exactly; but keeping the 100 watts of silver face power. and I play it thru two very old JBL K-130's...>so as you can see; not all shobuds are the same and not all fender twin's are the same.
But I will say; when I did play a superpro like that one and I played it thru a fender reissue....its sounded pretty good with a single coil pickup in it...as opposed to sounding yukky with a george L in it....
Ricky
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 21 Sep 2014 9:02 am
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The Sho-Bud tone is what people go for. I wouldn't dream of changing the pickups for inferior ones. But, if you do, send me the old ones so that I can fit them to one of my guitars.  |
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Wayne Ledbetter
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 21 Sep 2014 1:06 pm Thanks
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Thanks for comment. Mr. Davis. I have been having a little noise kind of like noisy harmonic on some notes on the G# and maybe couple on one of the other strings. I am experimenting via Zane's comments and noted your comment on the other gentle men's super pro. Don't want to but if I need an E 9th pickup ( if that continues) just thought your note about pickup was interesting. Since I am on it can they fix an old pickup?
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Sho Bud Super Pro, Fender Twin Reissue, Martin HD-28, Gibson J-45, Gibson RB-250,Stelling Bellflower,Regal Dobro, Takamine and Alvarez Classical, Fender Telecaster, Peavey Studio Pro 112. Mainly played Gospel and some bluegrass. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 21 Sep 2014 1:17 pm
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Pickups can get rewound.
And Jerry Wallace can put in a tap for not much extra.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 21 Sep 2014 1:20 pm
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" been having a little noise kind of like noisy harmonic on some notes "
First try experimenting with pickup height. The problem may be as simple as a 32nd of an inch in pup height! |
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Wayne Ledbetter
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 21 Sep 2014 2:15 pm Thanks
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Lane got strobe tuner and better. I have lowered the pickup as suggested by Lane yesterday and I am kind of waiting, playing to see if it's enough. I just noted Ricky comment and wondered what to do if pickup needed to be worked on. Thanks Lane and John.
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Sho Bud Super Pro, Fender Twin Reissue, Martin HD-28, Gibson J-45, Gibson RB-250,Stelling Bellflower,Regal Dobro, Takamine and Alvarez Classical, Fender Telecaster, Peavey Studio Pro 112. Mainly played Gospel and some bluegrass. |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 21 Sep 2014 3:42 pm
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Wayne; yes I also use Jerry Wallace to rewind any Shobud pickup that is getting noisy. They get noisy because the original windings get loose over the years.
Noisy Harmonics is a whole different story that the pickups. There are many variations that could cause overtones or harmonics as you say. You'll have to be more descriptive of what you are hearing for me to understand more of the area this might be occurring. Otherwise I can name 20 things off the top of my head that can be the culprit on a superpro(but I'm not going to...ha.)
Ricky
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