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Topic: New knee lever ideas? |
Frank Parish
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Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 7:51 am |
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| I'm adding a new knee lever for my E9 or maybe the C6. My E9 is the typical Emmons set-up. So I'm wondering what I might add, maybe a lick kind of pedal. Like most here I play a lot more E9 than I do the C6 so I'd like to find something useful for the E9 neck. Suggestions? |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 8:16 am
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Ummm, what do you currently have?
That'd be a good place to start
"Typical Emmons setup" can mean quite a few things.
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Les Cargill
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Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 8:41 am
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| If you are not scratching a particular itch, there's probably no reason to add one. |
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 9:14 am
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| There is no such thing as no reason when it comes to adding some flavor! Typical Emmons means exactly that. You can look it up but it's just the usual stuff everybody has now with four pedals and five knees. That includes the Franklin 4th pedal. It's a toy to play with and experiment. I could add it to the back neck and lower the 5th or 6th string a whole tone but I play the front neck most like most of us do so I want it where I can get the most out of it. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 9:23 am
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| Frank Parish wrote: |
| Typical Emmons means exactly that. You can look it up but it's just the usual stuff everybody has now with four pedals and five knees. . |
or you could just tell us!
no need to get uppity. you're the one asking for ideas. what do you have already? people's ideas and use of levers varies. |
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Les Cargill
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Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 9:34 am
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Frank, I figure I'll add another once I exhaust the possibilities of the ones I have  And this on a modest 7p4k setup on U12 - without even an 8/"boo wah" pedal yet!
That'll take years. I can barely keep up with 7&4 And I may just buy a different guitar when the time comes; don't know yet.
B0b has graciously put up dozens of copedent ideas; I scoured those for a long time before even buying a second steel ( my first is a Carter Starter ).
http://b0b.com/wp/?page_id=201
Lots to chew on there. |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Steve Knight
From:
NC
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 10:26 am
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I've thought about adding a KL to split some of my existing E9 changes. I think I saw one of BE's copedent's once that had him split the A pedal that raises 5 & 10 into two pedals or KLs. I think he wanted a 4/5 chord voicing (i.e., F/G for a G9sus chord.) I'l like to split that pedal, as well as the raise/lower Es. I suppose I'd have a use for a spit B pedal, too. I haven't done any of this, yet, as it's more money & would add more weight to the guitar, too.
I know you said you're more into E9 than C6 but I love PF's P5 on the C6 neck.That's another one I'd like to add someday. I think anyone coming to pedal steel from a blues or rock guitar would like that one. |
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 10:45 am
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You're onto something there Steve and thanks for reminding me about that. I think Emmons was using something to lower the 10 string while he pressed the a and b pedals. It was a whole tone lower I'm sure. Hook has that guitar now and I bet it's still on there.
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 11:36 am
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Two things--
--I have a 2nd LKL that raises 4th string E>F# (I still have a C pedal too). For the hell of it I added a pull on my low B>C#--so in one lever I have sort of split the C pedal (high) and sort of split the A pedal (low). If somebody stole the lever I could live without it. I enjoy experimenting with the versatility of these options.
--I borrowed a page from the Sacred Steelers. They have two low E's on 7 $ 8 and use pedals or levers to get other stuff out of them. Instead, I have a lever that lowers 7 (F#) to E. I want the standard E9 tuning down there but with the lever (a 2nd RKR) it gives me strum-able power triads once the F# is out of the way.
I am suggesting neither of these. Just offering up ideas. |
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Hook Moore
From:
South Charleston,West Virginia
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 12:20 pm
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Frank, yes I do still have the change on my guitar. Bruce designed a rod that would engage or disengage the 10th string by just turning the nylon turner about a 1/4 turn. That allowed the 5th string to raise normally without raising the 10th. Also a separate knee lever lowers the 10th string.
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 4:05 pm
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| Jon is thinking like me, having to experiment is always good and you might stumble onto something you can use all the time. Having a new knee doing something I'm not used to will also give me motivation to practice more and we all need that! Hook I knew that change was on there and that is a testament to the genius of Bruce Zumsted. I've never owned a Zum but always wanted to. I'm playing a Carter about 95% of the time cause the old Emmons is so heavy to tote around and my back isn't getting any better. The Carter has been a solid guitar staying tune well and having terrific tone, easy to play and short pedal travel. I don't know why they sold them so cheap but these are very underated. I do have the knee lever that raises the 4th string a whole tone on the Emmons and it's nice change to have too. I'm not sure how splitting the difference works but I'm looking into anything and everything to find something useful. Who know, the next big change that changes everybodys set up may be what I find. I doubt but you never know. Great ideas guys! |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 6:09 pm
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Do you lower 6 to F#?
Lower Bs to A#?
Raise 1&2 to unison with 3&4?
Raise 1&7 to G? (I raise 1, don't raise 7 and haven't missed it)
I've known folks who raise 6&7 a whole tone
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 9:39 pm
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| I wouldn't be without a lower on string 6 to F#. Got it from Emmons via Winnies book way back when! |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 7 Sep 2014 9:50 pm
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| I wouldn't be without a lower on string 6 to F#. Got it from Emmons via Winnies book way back when! |
Me either. It is my 3rd most used knee lever. I even use it more than the C pedal. I would rather lose the 2nd string lowers knee lever than the lower on string 6. Been using it for around 40 years now. I believe John Hughey is the one who told me about it.
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Greg Milton
From:
Benalla, Australia
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Posted 8 Sep 2014 2:42 am
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or you could just tell us!
no need to get uppity. you're the one asking for ideas. what do you have already? people's ideas and use of levers varies. |
Love it! |
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 11 Sep 2014 4:21 pm
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| Yeah I've got all those ones you guys mentioned up there but not raising 6 and 7 a whole tone. I never thought of that! What I did was I put the knee lever next to my RKL so I've got two of them now and the one farthest away is lowering the 10 string a whole step when I press the a and b pedals. I'm experimenting with that for now. I may lower the 7th string a half step and see what I can do with that. It would be nice to have a lick pedal but I'm still working on it for now. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 11 Sep 2014 4:33 pm
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"the one farthest away is lowering the 10 string a whole step when I press the a and b pedals."
How often do you play your lowered 10th string along with the highest, 1,2,3, strings. If never, or very seldom, you might want to add some pulls/lowers to those high strings with that 10th string lever. Maybe move something on another lever over to there? |
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