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Topic: Should i even keep my CD's? |
Jerome Hawkes
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Posted 12 Jul 2014 1:32 pm |
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been slowly loading my massive CD collection into iTunes now that i have room to store them all. i was debating on if i should even keep them now - space is beginning to be at a premium these days. will they even be making CD players 5 years from now?
i know the audio quality takes a hit in conversion, but its a lot easier to go to iTunes vs rummage thru hundreds of CD's going where is that track? especially on Jazz releases, as most of these are.
i just don't know if i plan on 'going back'.
i still enjoy listening to vinyl but i never really did that kind of audiophile listening with cds.
i guess there is always the danger that in the future something else/better comes along (we know it will) and i don't have the original CDs anymore.
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Joachim Kettner
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Posted 12 Jul 2014 1:58 pm
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I would keep them, the booklets alone and the better than mp3 sound quality makes them almost as precious as vinyl. I donn't think they take up to much space, and a nice shelf will make them look good.
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Andy Volk
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Posted 12 Jul 2014 6:11 pm
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I transferred my hundreds of CDs to iTunes last Summer and then sold all the physical discs. There was a sense of loss but also of liberation. At times I miss looking at the liner notes or the ease of popping a CD into the car stereo but overall, it feels less cluttered.
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Russ Wever
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Posted 12 Jul 2014 8:12 pm
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Does itunes not provide
the liner notes/artwork?
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b0b
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Jason Schofield
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 1:53 am
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cds' are the biggest waste of space ever.. and I thought my 1k vinyl collection was massive.gave all but 100 albums away. it's time to move on.. get rid of them and never look back.. most of the early mastered cds' sound like garbage anyway. life's too short.. I have so much new music to listen to now I can't even keep up. Really great stuff too..and it's sad as most of these new artists will never make any money.
Forgot to mention in my rant.. those terrible plastic cases where the tabs broke off.. ughh.. and the fact that any little scratch would send the bugger off skipping like a school girl.. |
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Jack Stoner
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 2:47 am
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Why would I want to get rid of full fidelity recordings and replace them with MP3's which are "something less than full fidelity".
True they take up space, but that is not a problem for me.
I strive for the highest fidelity I can in my recording studio, with high quality microphones, audio processing equipment, etc and then someone converts it to an MP3....  |
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 3:37 am
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Have you seen this drawing before, Jack? I've posted this in another thread, but it's worth repeating.
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Jerome Hawkes
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Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 4:17 am
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i get the cons with the conversion deal - its unfortunate - but - i guess my question is where this all leads in 5 years. I don't know that you will even see CDs in another 5 years.
right now the band i play in is on its last box of CDs that we sell at our shows. we have already reordered twice - we order about 1500 at the time and that will last us 2-3 years (we are just a regional part time band). I'm seriously wondering if we should even reorder CD's - i don't know, it just seems people just aren't interested in physical CDs anymore.
on top of that we have been in the studio doing some tracking and i even wonder how we are going to deliver the finished product in this new era...
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 4:40 am
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My distrust of Apple runs deep. For all the evil that is laid on the name Microsoft (deserved), Apple's image skates way too clean. Not to mention the cult that exists around Jobs and all.
I would not feel at all comfortable laying a lot of trust on the reliability or trustworthiness of a corporation that regards a customer not as a patron but as part of a plan. Amazon, Google... any one of these fits the same concern.
This is just me. It doesn't mean I don't use them. I just don't think of them as a friend with my interest anywhere on their radar.
I can't even tell you what it is that I fear might happen if I put all my eggs in their basket. It just feels like a mistake. I'm keeping my cds. |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 5:13 am
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Joachim, I've seen that before. Count me into that except with Sonar X3 instead of ProTools.
There is still a lot of interest in CD's in the retirement area of Florida, where I'm at. Although I see a lot of smart phones, the older people have not adopted the "digital" music player world like the younger set has. I do a lot of CD production. I have a bank of 5 CD burners and can burn 5 discs at a time. I recently invested in a Primera Bravo CD printer as my 3rd Epson printer (that prints on CD's) died. In the first 6 months of this year I've burned almost 200 CD's for clients (both from my recording studio and others that want copies made).
August and September will be busy for my studio and there will be a lot of CD production from those sessions. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 7:44 am
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| Jack Stoner wrote: |
Why would I want to get rid of full fidelity recordings and replace them with MP3's which are "something less than full fidelity".
True they take up space, but that is not a problem for me.
I strive for the highest fidelity I can in my recording studio, with high quality microphones, audio processing equipment, etc and then someone converts it to an MP3.... |
If you have the hard disc space, you can pull your CDs into iTunes at full resolution. I think Windows Media Player has the same capability. WAV and AIFF formats are totally lossless - they contain the same 44.1 kHz, 16-bit data that's on the CD.
I use iTunes (the program, not the store) to burn master CDs of my own home recordings, which I create in AIFF format. There's no loss of fidelity at all. I think it will even "down-sample" 24-bit 96 kHz files to the standard CD format, though I've never tried it.
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Darrell Birtcher
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 9:11 am
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To further what b0b has stated, I've had great success with the Apple Lossless format. It is a true codec, in that it compresses files to save space, then uncompresses them upon playback, back to full original fidelity.
Another trick for those with good ears is to use a high quality external Digital to Analog converter (DAC) to feed the sound to your home stereo system. Even a budget priced home recording interface will beat the quality of the built-in sound devices of most home computers and laptops.
Being able to utilize the full potential of iTunes is great. We even use some of it's features remotely. But I'm not ready to give up my cd's. I still like to collect them and play them in my truck and I love liner notes, and most songs and albums that are purchased digitally (downloaded) lack good resolution. Yes, the CD format is probably near end of life but unfortunately the formats that appear to be replacing it don't have very good resolution. |
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b0b
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 9:23 am
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| Jon Light wrote: |
My distrust of Apple runs deep.
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I can't even tell you what it is that I fear might happen if I put all my eggs in their basket. It just feels like a mistake. I'm keeping my cds. |
Actually, it's your basket. ITunes is just an organizer for your digital music files. The files aren't locked away in some Apple vault or database - they are right there in your file system. You can play them individually without iTunes and do whatever you want with them.
As an example, I have an app that grabs anything new that I've imported to iTunes and sends it to the Google cloud for streaming to my Android tablet. Very handy at rehearsals. My music files are definitely not owned by Apple. I can do whatever I want with them.
That said, I'm keeping my CDs, too. I may not play them often, but I like having physical artifacts of the artists that I like and support. This little Penguin USB drive holds my entire Beatles collection.
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Jon Light
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 9:43 am
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And it doubles as a penguin.
This exposes the fuzziness of my grasp of the subject. I associate any mention of 'cloud' with entrusting everything to a remote storage location with a (potential) corporate gatekeeper.
My work with mobile devices is very limited, so far, so I'm way behind.
Thanks for fleshing it out a bit for me. I understand it a little more now. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 13 Jul 2014 10:26 am
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| Jon Light wrote: |
And it doubles as a penguin.
This exposes the fuzziness of my grasp of the subject. I associate any mention of 'cloud' with entrusting everything to a remote storage location with a (potential) corporate gatekeeper. |
You are correct about that. The cloud is owned by someone, and there's no guarantee that your files will stay there. I have at least one copy of every cloud file on a hard drive, and I backup important files on removable storage (like the little penguin) and keep them in a safe place.
Back to subject, the penguin Beatles collection was made by dragging the the albums I wanted from the "iTunes Music/The Beatles" folder to the USB drive icon. It was that easy.
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Jim Smith
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Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2014 10:04 am
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| b0b wrote: |
| Actually, it's your basket. ITunes is just an organizer for your digital music files. The files aren't locked away in some Apple vault or database - they are right there in your file system. You can play them individually without iTunes and do whatever you want with them. |
I've never used iTunes because I'm an Apple hater, but my son does. He said he uploaded a bunch of his CDs to iTunes and then had to pay for them to load them to his iPhone. Did he do something wrong or is this how it works? |
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Richard Sinkler
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Posted 14 Jul 2014 10:36 am
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I never store anything in a cloud location. I get free space form a few sources (like my web host, Real Player, etc), but never use them. I am reasonably sure, that when I store a file to one of these cloud storage services, the file is in fact stored on one of their servers. Of course, I still have the original on my hard drive.
I won't get rid of my physical CD's. I listen to them in the house. I have an Mp3 player that holds 120gb. If I am driving a long distance somewhere, I plug my Mp3 player into the car stereo. I can also make playlists. Sometimes, like on the way to a gig that I am not sure of the songs, I will make a CD of the songs so I can play them in the car, and not have to take my Mp3 player.
If you rip the CD to your hard drive, I assume you are putting them in a separate folder for each CD. If you have an "all in one" printer with a scanner, you can scan the booklet that came with the CD and store the image files in your folder for the CD. It's really a hassle, but not any worse that the actual ripping of the CD.
I have iTunes, but have never used them to store my files.
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Leslie Ehrlich
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Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 15 Jul 2014 10:24 am
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Wave files are better than MP3s, but they take up ten times the space.
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 15 Jul 2014 10:50 am
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I'm not an MP3 fan, as my previous posts indicate, but new cars are starting to come with no CD player. Only Bluetooth or possibly USB.
Eventually for auto stereo (excluding radio) we will be forced into media other than CD's. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 15 Jul 2014 12:39 pm
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Back in the 80's when I also played keyboards, I had a Roland D-50. It used a credit card sized memory card, similar to what a Pro-Fex uses. That is what I pictured the future of recorded music to be. You could buy the album on one of these cards and the storage space would be very minimal. This was before Mp3 players. I imagine cost would have been a big factor though.
Really, I don't notice that big of a difference in Mp3 files and other formats. I would have to listen to them side by side. I do think the CD would have better quality though.
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 15 Jul 2014 12:45 pm
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I think in the future all music, etc... will be in the cloud and you will be able to access it directly to your brain. Possibly need to have some type of interface chip installed. Maybe something similar to the chip that will contain all you medical information. I hope it comes soon because I want one so I don't have to fill out forms every time I go to see a doctor. I think it will be good way to provide consistent and accurate information.
RC
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Alan Brookes
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Posted 15 Jul 2014 3:27 pm
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I like to be able to pull LPs out of my racks and read the sleevenotes. If all you have are recordings on your hard disk you lose all the context. I also stand LPs around as artwork, so I have a continually changing array of pictures to look at and be nostalgic over.
When I left England 34 years ago, and moved to California, I sold my collection of about 750 albums, and all my singles and EPs, as they were too heavy to bring with me, and I've regretted it ever since. I now have about 3,000 albums, and have replaced many that I sold, but some of them were so rare I will never see them again.
A lot of people spent time and effort recording their LPs onto CDs. Ironically, we now know that the plastic that CDs and DVDs are made from has a very limited lifespan, and the LPs will long outlast them. |
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Leslie Ehrlich
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Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 15 Jul 2014 7:46 pm
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| Alan Brookes wrote: |
| Ironically, we now know that the plastic that CDs and DVDs are made from has a very limited lifespan, and the LPs will long outlast them. |
True, but pop pop crackle crackle.
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Graham
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Marmora, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 16 Jul 2014 3:24 am
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You would be surprised at the amount of pop,pop,crackle,crackle can be found on cd's. Run one thru a good noise reduction program and it will amaze you how many pop's etc. it has removed.
Records that have been cared for and played on a good player with a good needle are not overly noisy. Worst thing for them is fingerprints so handle them by the edges only.
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