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Topic: Pedal Dobro |
Wally Moyers
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Lubbock, Texas
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John Sluszny
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Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 3:46 pm |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 5:03 pm
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Wow. That guy can pick.
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 7:15 pm
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interesting that beard finally comes up with an idea that every steel player has dabbled with for the past 50 years.
i hope they're not saying it's a great new idea. look at the framus steels with their multichanger.
many of us have considered or experimented with attaching mechanisms to our dobros.
however it does look as if beard has come up with one that actually functions well and maintains the dobro sound. man that thing sounds good, with or without the gizmo.
now how much does that dobro cost? |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 4 Jul 2014 7:40 pm
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another question is what are the tunings? open g would be standard, i assume, but what is the d tuning?
i thought the d or e tunings i've used required heavier strings on the bottom (unless i'm confusing it with my lapsteel). what gauges are used on this?
ok...i checked...$600 installed.
i guess if you can afford a beard in the first place
it's all relative.
wish i had some rich relatives. |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 2:48 am
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It can change the tuning, but I wouldn't call it a "Pedal Dobro".
The Franklin "Pedabro" was a pedal dobro. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 3:41 am
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| "Tone Changer" bridges are a very old idea, I know Carvin had them back in the early '60s. They even developed one that had three positions, and gave a Hawaiian steeler three different tunings on a single neck. This is the first time I've seen something similar on a resonator guitar, though. |
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gary pierce
From:
Rossville TN
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 3:45 am
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| D tuning low to high D A D F# A D |
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Howard Parker
From:
Maryland
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 5:07 am
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There have been several attempts at this concept over the years.
On the resonator guitar the problem was the change was never accurate and required constant retuning.
Certainly not for every player. If you know Jerry you know his "D" tunes. If you play a fair amount in this tuning it beats lugging/buying a second guitar.
Gaven is playing Jerry's guitar. You can see Jerry play it on his current tour with Willie Nelson and AKUS.
That particular model guitar can be had for $5,250.
If anyone is interested 
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Howard Parker
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Maryland
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Wally Moyers
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Lubbock, Texas
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 7:02 am
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| Jack Stoner wrote: |
It can change the tuning, but I wouldn't call it a "Pedal Dobro".
The Franklin "Pedabro" was a pedal dobro. |
Your right Jack, Actually this is a resonator guitar with a string pitch changer on it. The Pedadro was more of a pedal steel resonator guitar… I am surprised it has taken this long for it to be commercially available.. I will be getting one, very versatile.. I'm sure there will be many Dobro players that won't like it… Anyway, great idea... |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 7:12 am
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| I just bought a new RD40 Regal and working on learning it. If I were an advanced Dobro player this is something to consider. |
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Wally Moyers
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Lubbock, Texas
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 7:54 am
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$5000-$6000...? well, that's pretty reasonable compared to a scheerhorn.  |
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Howard Parker
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Maryland
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 8:08 am
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"Auldridge"
Chris, I would agree but I'm more then slightly biased. 
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Alan Brookes
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Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 9:13 am
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This in no way can be described as a Pedal Dobro. It has a palm lever which is just a version of the Hipshot Trilogy, the main difference between that the Trilogy had individual levers for each string, whereas this has just one to retune several strings. Neither of them give pedal steel sounds. They're just made to allow the guitarist to change between tunings between numbers. The idea originally came from Framus, but their mechanism was a lot more robust.
Check out this recent discussion.
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=267469&highlight=framus
The closest I've seen to a simple pedal mechanism that can be attached to any guitar was built with cables, the sort the are used on car acceleratprs and brakes, was invented, I believe, by Maurice Anderson, but didn't sell well.
I'm still planning someday to build a proper pedal Dobro, which would be a pedal steel guitar with a resonator guitar body, as has been done several times before with varying success. |
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 10:29 am
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| had individual levers for each string, |
Dave Borisoff (Hipshot) was trying that on Dobros more than 30 years ago when he lived in Los Angeles. It didn't work because the Dobro body is not rigid enough. When you raise one string, all the others go flat, and vice versa (cabinet drop).
Apparently this is no problem on the new system, because the lever pulls all the strings at once.
I wonder if they really go 5 steps on the low string:
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D D
B --A
G -F#
D D
B --A
G -----D
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 10:46 am
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Would it work with a G6 tuning?
D B
B G
G E
D D
B B
G G
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 4:08 pm
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- No, it's not a pedal dobro.
- I don't think Beard or Hipshot is trying to take credit for some kind of new concept that's never been tried. There wasn't anything in the video that I saw that would indicate that Paul thinks he's blazing a new trail that has never been navigated in the past.
This is the latest attempt in "building a better mousetrap" when it comes to this type of device. As alluded to earlier by others, previous attempts seem to have been lacking - maybe this time somebody got it right.
Bovine mentioned Dave Borisoff and Hipshot. In the photo below, the guitar on the left is Jerry Douglas' Guernsey equipped with the old Hipshot Trilogy unit. I've seen Jerry play this one in concert a couple times and the most recent was 11 years ago when he played with his band at McNear's Mystic Theater in Petaluma, CA. As I recall, I was paying attention to see if he would utilize the unit, but he didn't use the device once in the entire evening to change tunings.
With this new DoubleShot he has apparently been using it in recent shows and according to Howard Parker on another forum there will be a video in the next few weeks showing Jerry playing it on stage.
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 5 Jul 2014 4:17 pm
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| John Sluszny wrote: |
Would it work with a G6 tuning?
D B
B G
G E
D D
B B
G G
(Same string gauges both tunings) |
John, I believe it should work with most any tuning, provided the string gauges jive with a given tuning. But as Earnest wrote earlier, we don't really know yet due to the dearth of information the total number of steps available.
With your version of G6 right off it would appear to be problematic, but I will give this a shot later for myself. If one used a typical dobro set and the gauges on strings 3 to 1 are .028w-.019-.016/.017, those top two unwound strings being lowered from Open G it's possible they might play like limp noodles.
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 6 Jul 2014 7:40 am
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| Wow. That guy can pick. |
Great chops, he's got a future. He knows tons of modal licks with speed. And he's still a kid. I'll be waiting to hear him play like an adult with recognizable melodies and chord progressions that say something other than "Listen, I've got lots of fast licks."
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Howard Parker
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Maryland
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Posted 6 Jul 2014 8:13 am
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Gaven is local to me, a very nice young guy.
I think he started as a 12-13 yo and he has come a long way indeed. He plays with "Bud's Collective", a youngish, contemporary, regional band based in Virginia.
In a band context he's learned to "breath" more although he's still darn "hot".
I'm guessing Paul probably encouraged him to step it up for the camera.
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Alan Brookes
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Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 6 Jul 2014 8:16 am
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| Earnest Bovine wrote: |
| Dave Borisoff (Hipshot) was trying that on Dobros more than 30 years ago when he lived in Los Angeles. It didn't work because the Dobro body is not rigid enough. When you raise one string, all the others go flat, and vice versa (cabinet drop)... |
This is a problem with all string instruments that have a less-than-rigid top, the worst example being instruments like the banjo, that have membrane tops. As you tighten any string the bridge sinks into the vellum and affects the tuning of all the other strings. The resonator guitar suffers more than the regular guitar because of the flexibility of the cone. I would imagine this occurs on a full-fledged Pedabro, too. When you depress the *foot pedals it must have an effect on the cone position.
*"foot pedals" is a tautology. The word "pedal" comes from the latin word for foot, so all pedals are foot pedals.  |
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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