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Topic: Why do you call it "Copedent" |
Nick Reed
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 1:05 pm |
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Guess I'm just a dumb ole country hick that never got to the big city. I've always referred to the pedal & knee lever arrangement on my Steel Guitars as "My Set-Up".
I never heard of a "Copedent" until 3 or 4 years ago, and then I think it was here on this Forum. Where did you guys get this word "Copedent". I didn't even know what you were talking about until I got tired of feelin stupid and asked somebody at Bobbe Seymour's shop one day.
Maybe Jeff Newman sells a Steel Guitar dictionary for people like me. I'll check and maybe order one, then I can learn to talk fancy like the rest of you guys 
Nick
[This message was edited by Nick Reed on 30 December 2003 at 03:05 PM.] |
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 1:13 pm
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Has nothing to do with Newman
Tom Bradshaw coined the term 25 or more years ago for a single word that indicates the open tuning without pedals plus all the pedal and knee lever pulls.
ChOrd PEDal arrangemENT
pronounced co - pee - dent
I never cared for the term myself but often use it for lack of a better and/or more succinct term.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Dave Burr
From:
League City, TX
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 1:47 pm
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Nick,
Larry's right... As usual. Here is a previous thread were the originator (Tom Bradshaw) of the term shares in the discussion.
Respectfully,
Dave Burr |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 2:19 pm
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I usually use "tuning setup" or just plain " My tuning"....Happy New Year...al
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Nick Reed
From:
Russellville, KY USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 3:33 pm
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| I don't care for the word myself, think I'll just stick with saying "my set-up". |
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Franklin
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 4:40 pm
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| I don't care for the word....I prefer Pedal set-up. |
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 5:56 pm
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I can't stand the word. "Set-up" works for me.
Jerry |
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Nick Reed
From:
Russellville, KY USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 6:16 pm
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| Well, there you have! If it's OK with Paul Franklin & Jerry Roller then it's OK with me. Nick |
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Dave Van Allen
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Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 6:33 pm
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| pronounced co - pee - dent |
Beavis:"huh,huh...he said 'pee', huh,huh"
Butthead:"Yeah...'pee' yeah yeah"
I think the pronunciation has a lot to do with the lack of appeal of the coined phrase...[This message was edited by Dave Van Allen on 30 December 2003 at 06:33 PM.] |
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Nick Reed
From:
Russellville, KY USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 9:17 pm
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| No matter how it's pronounced, I don't like it. And I vote we all quit using the term. Lets start calling it "pedal set-up" like Paul Franklin. Or maybe we could compromise and call it PEE-dal Set-Up! [This message was edited by Nick Reed on 30 December 2003 at 09:20 PM.] |
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Ken Williams
From:
Arkansas
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 9:42 pm
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I guess if you are like me and don't know which pedal to mash or string to play you would be incopedent.
Ken
http://home.ipa.net/~kenwill
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 2:53 am
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after all that good Ol'Tom B has done for us
let's not go breakin'his heart
heck i use Copedent, i thought i was in the niche
Happy New Year 
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 6:38 am
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C-B
Tom doesn't really care for the word either, as I recall.
Who cares as long as we understand what we're talking about?
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 6:41 am
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there you go,here is another one "mash" I can`t help myself and not to think about the mashpotatoes when someone says "I mash my pedals" it sounds kinda mushy to me...  |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 9:38 am
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I use "tuning" or "setup". When talking to a non-steeler, they can usually understand these terms better.
Damir, I hate the term "mash" also. I DO NOT mash my pedals, I USE THEM.
Maybe we can make these words go away. |
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Bill Bailey
From:
Kingman, AZ
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 10:14 pm
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Tom Bradshaw is the first man to ever contact me to trying to put a list together of steel players, this was before I ever went on the road. This may have been around 1967 or 68 I think. That was the first time I saw one of his brochieres on steel. That was the first time I ever heard about copedant and at the time it made sense to me. I don't beleive I have ever been asked about my copedant unless a new comer was asking the question. I dont mind the term. I do think Tom is as valuable an assett to the steel community as anyone ever. I called him and went to visit his home when I was on the road with Rose Maddox and was treated like family. Tom seemed interested in my time with Rose and we spoke briefly about her. His in home store was loaded with a steel players treasure chest of toys. I still have some of the records. Happy new year to all of you.
Bill Bailey |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 6:37 am
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Damir,
Try out the following:
"Maysh tha petals"
carl |
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Franklin
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 6:38 am
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Richard, I'm with you. The instrument is complicated enough to explain without creating words that only a percentage of the steel community can define. Are terms like "Boo Wah" and "copedant" needed? The musical and english terms "6#9 pedal" and "pedal setup" are easily understood by all.
Theory is definately the key to communicating and arranging musical ideas. If the instruments pedals were defined by what they actually do musically, it just might help encourage our future players in the right direction---learning how music is structured, instead of learning tab only......Paul[This message was edited by Franklin on 01 January 2004 at 06:43 AM.] |
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Dale Bessant
From:
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 8:01 am
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| I used the term once to a fellow well known steel player here in Canada years ago,the late Ron Dann, he had no idea what I was talking about,so since then I have refrained from using the term "copedant"...Happy New Year to all... the term set-up seems to say it all for me.... [This message was edited by Dale Bessant on 01 January 2004 at 08:03 AM.] [This message was edited by Dale Bessant on 01 January 2004 at 08:04 AM.] |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 10:23 am
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| The musical and english terms "6#9 pedal" and "pedal setup" are easily understood by all |
That would be true if those terms WERE understood by all. Fact is, the VAST majority of steel players I've met (who play C6) know EXACTLY where to find the BooWah, but have no clue how to spell a 7#9 chord -- or even how the I to VI progression is used. Sad but true.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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frank rogers
From:
usa
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 10:39 am
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| I'm not a big fan of the term "copedent" either. But, then again, I call pedal 8 the Jimi Hendrix pedal or the "Purple Haze" pedal. [This message was edited by frank rogers on 01 January 2004 at 12:03 PM.] |
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Bill Llewellyn
From:
San Jose, CA
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 10:45 am
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[This message was edited by Bill Llewellyn on 02 January 2004 at 10:46 PM.] |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 11:56 am
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Cute Bill. If you haven't done so, check out the post by Winnie Winston about his web site being up. Check out the Kline section and you will see what I was trying to explain to you on Monday.
"Boo-Wah" is another term I avoid. And even though I have this so-called Boo-Wah pedal on a knee lever, I still refer to it as pedal 8 when talking to other players. |
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Colm Chomicky
From:
Kansas, (Prairie Village)
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 11:58 am
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Instead of asking a bartender for a "set up", try asking him for a "copedent". See what you get.
I think Commander Cody's copedent is one drink of wine, two drinks of gin, and you're lost in the ozone agin Happy New Years, everybody. |
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